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Old 08-23-2013, 01:33 AM
 
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You call em false.............prove it hero...
Do you really need proof that every company isn't cutting healthcare benefits or laying off fulltime employees?
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:37 AM
 
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While it is an opinion, that is in no way on the same degree or volume( volume meaning conservatives outnumber Libs 5 to 1 on this site) as the crap being spewed on this forum, we both just left a forum when a person who claims the president doesnt love this nation.

P.S. Obamacare is a good thing, 30 million more people have coverage and cost only rose by 4%, which is less than it has rose in the last 10 years(an average of 7% per year)
More people = more volume. More or less volume doesn't make it any better or worse.

Obamacare is a horrible implementation. It binds healthcare to employers. Healthcare should be decoupled from employment completely. Why put that extra burden on employers? Why make employment as the normal means of getting health insurance?
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Three pages. Really? Have some shame. This is no way for real men to act. Stop crying and post something constructive. Even if you are correct and Obama is the worst president ever... what good does it do to ***** and moan about it for three ******* pages?! Because you can? That isn't a good enough reason. Grow up. And for the love of all that is Holy could you give the Carter talking point a rest. Carter is remembered for only one thing. That's a shame. That is typical American short attention span. To say nothing of typical American monkey see, monkey say. What do you really know of Carter's legacy?? Nothing. Not a ******* thing!
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:40 AM
 
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Three pages. Really? Have some shame. This is no way for real men to act. Stop crying and post something constructive. Even if you are correct and Obama is the worst president ever... what good does it do to ***** and moan about it for three ******* pages?! Because you can? That isn't a good enough reason. Grow up. And for the love of all that is Holy could you give the Carter talking point a rest. Carter is remembered for only one thing. That's a shame. That is typical American short attention span. To say nothing of typical American monkey see, monkey say. What do you really know of Carter's legacy?? Nothing. Not a ******* thing!
You have now contributed to this discussion just as the rest of us have. You can take lead by answering your own questions as to why.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:40 AM
 
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FACT; Every company is laying off workers from full time employment to max part time.
this is not a fact. NOT Every company is doing this (in fact we just hired on 20 new Full time employees).

Strike 1

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Fact; Every company is cutting healthcare benefits for employees, their mates and families. Why? Obamacare.
this is not a fact. Even Forever 21 reduced work hours, and never cited the ACA. It was well known that the company was already going through a re-org.

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Fact; Jobs that used to be a position you could make a living doing are now being turned into temps only positions.
this is not a fact. the jobs in my industry still remain as full time and many make a living just fine from it. None of them have been turned into temp positions.

strike 3

oops YOU'RE OUT!

Not a "fact" in any of your post
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:42 AM
 
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More people = more volume. More or less volume doesn't make it any better or worse.

Obamacare is a horrible implementation. It binds healthcare to employers. Healthcare should be decoupled from employment completely. Why put that extra burden on employers? Why make employment as the normal means of getting health insurance?

Employers can get BETTER rates, because they negotiate their polices IN BULK. The more people they put under a company's health plan, the better rates (and services) that a company can get from the insurance company.

My company has changed insurance carriers 4 times in the 14 years I've been with them, and each time they've changed, the coverage has gotten better.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:48 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Obamacare is a horrible implementation. It binds healthcare to employers. Healthcare should be decoupled from employment completely. Why put that extra burden on employers? Why make employment as the normal means of getting health insurance?
Have Americans not been getting their healthcare from their employers since even before Obama was born? What ever are you talking about? My healtcare has only ever come from my employer, my ex-wife's healthcare came from her employer. My parents healthcare came from their employers... ... if you want to argue that that should be changed well... see how far Obama got with that. Fact is, Obamacare is the way it is because of all the obstruction and outright opposition from House and Senate Republicans. They destroyed the original template as it was conceived in their efforts to kill it. Efforts which continue to this day. Why? Because its so terrible? No... because it was a Democratic innovation. Massachusetts has had Obamacare for a couple decades now and they are doing just fine with it. Had a Republican come up with it there would have been no trouble getting it signed into law.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:52 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
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this is not a fact. NOT Every company is doing this (in fact we just hired on 20 new Full time employees).

Strike 1



this is not a fact. Even Forever 21 reduced work hours, and never cited the ACA. It was well known that the company was already going through a re-org.

Strike 2



this is not a fact. the jobs in my industry still remain as full time and many make a living just fine from it. None of them have been turned into temp positions.

strike 3

oops YOU'RE OUT!

Not a "fact" in any of your post


What do you do for a job? In my field those jobs are being turned into "temp" positions to keep from paying any benefits especially healthcare because of obamacare. That's a hit.

#2, Just because your company did not "cite" the obamacare does not mean it wasn't the reason. Not a strike but a base hit.

Your drunk ump strike 3 needs to refer to my first response.
Homerun.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:55 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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More people = more volume. More or less volume doesn't make it any better or worse.

Obamacare is a horrible implementation. It binds healthcare to employers. Healthcare should be decoupled from employment completely. Why put that extra burden on employers? Why make employment as the normal means of getting health insurance?
I disagree, 5 nutjobs is always worse than 1 LOL.

And I also havent seen any leftist claiming Bush hates America

Implementation has nothing to do with whether the law is good or not. Republican governors deciding not to set up healthcare exchanges indeed makes the process harder because now the Fed Gov' has to step in to set up the exchange, it takes more time and more money than if the states did it themselves.

While insurance has been tied to employment for about 50 years, Obamacare actually does what you want it to. That is what the state exchanges are for, those who either dont have employment or want to shop around outside of their company's plan.

good night.
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:02 AM
 
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Well, doesn't this just tell us a lot about you and what sort of person you really are - despicable.
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