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Old 06-18-2013, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Many believe the NSA got the private keys via warrant/court order from the companies.

So far to date only 8 of the 1024 bit keys have been cracked.

But we now have Titan which is able to perform 17.5 petaflops ...17.5 quadrillion floating point operations per second and can be pushed to 27 petaflops.
Many believe zilch. PGP is secure unless there's reason to believe otherwise. You don't think there are NSA folks who would've told already? Research colleagues stick together and have a bond much tighter than the most elevated security clearances. It would've gotten out if the NSA had the capability of cracking PGP.

Again, encyption grows exponentially in complexity as you increase bit size. Computational power only grows linearly. PGP is safe from the NSA.
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:04 PM
 
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If you are a techie or are computer literate this is a very good article with theories of how they may be doing what they are doing.

PRISM: Here's how the NSA wiretapped the Internet | Page 2 | ZDNet
Yeah, decent article. Yahoo for instance only recently implemented the option for SSL for anything other than login. The login default for SSL took awhile. (in the case of email most of that transport is unencrypted though).

CD, for example, appears to not even enable "generic" encryption for logging in.

EFF is a good org for info on this topic.
HTTPS Everywhere FAQ | Electronic Frontier Foundation

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Old 06-18-2013, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Many believe zilch. PGP is secure unless there's reason to believe otherwise. You don't think there are NSA folks who would've told already? Research colleagues stick together and have a bond much tighter than the most elevated security clearances. It would've gotten out if the NSA had the capability of cracking PGP.

Again, encyption grows exponentially in complexity as you increase bit size. Computational power only grows linearly. PGP is safe from the NSA.
Top Secret.

2002 is when the first whistle blower came forward about narus.
11 years gives plenty of time to advance technology.

Snowden still has more to show us.

Simple court orders could compel the internet providers to hand over their private keys.
Top Secret classification prevents them from talking.
Been successful for over 10 years now with over 1 million people having Top Secret Clearance.

Clapper just lied to Congress in March. He had no worries. It's all Top Secret. No one can talk.
Snowden shows up and Clapper is redefining the word "collect".
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:10 PM
 
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Many believe zilch. PGP is secure unless there's reason to believe otherwise. You don't think there are NSA folks who would've told already? Research colleagues stick together and have a bond much tighter than the most elevated security clearances. It would've gotten out if the NSA had the capability of cracking PGP.

Again, encyption grows exponentially in complexity as you increase bit size. Computational power only grows linearly. PGP is safe from the NSA.
Certainly encryption is useful, but there are many other issues going on than that. There have been those previously employed alphabet cooks commenting, but they are careful to be very general. They sign agreements and they know who they are dealing with. People who become an issue can be taken out easily and in many ways.

Why would the NSA tell? That isn't their MO and they benefit by not telling. If they could read encrypted that would be the best stuff, why blow that? I mean there is a ton of money and activity going on there. Not alot of discussion about them though despite all that. Something like that would be highly controlled and contained.
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Top Secret.

2002 is when the first whistle blower came forward about narus.
11 years gives plenty of time to advance technology.

Snowden still has more to show us.

Simple court orders could compel the internet providers to hand over their private keys.
Top Secret classification prevents them from talking.
Been successful for over 10 years now with over 1 million people having Top Secret Clearance.

Clapper just lied to Congress in March. He had no worries. It's all Top Secret. No one can talk.
Snowden shows up and Clapper is redefining the word "collect".
You don't know what TS people are confidentially telling their former colleagues in academia. The blood of research is thicker than security clearances. I'm extremely general in what may or may not "come my way" from the grapevine because I would fear jeopardizing the clearances of others. Notice how general I'm being just now LOL.
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Certainly encryption is useful, but there are many other issues going on than that. There have been those previously employed alphabet cooks commenting, but they are careful to be very general. They sign agreements and they know who they are dealing with. People who become an issue can be taken out easily and in many ways.

Why would the NSA tell? That isn't their MO and they benefit by not telling. If they could read encrypted that would be the best stuff, why blow that?
You watched too many Bourne movies. People would not be "taken out".
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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If you are a techie or are computer literate this is a very good article with theories of how they may be doing what they are doing.

PRISM: Here's how the NSA wiretapped the Internet | Page 2 | ZDNet
Interesting. I have been saying this ever since Obama said "nobody is listening to your calls"

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It would be easy to suggest that in fact nobody is listening to phone calls, at least semantically speaking. It was likely a very carefully considered sentence. But even logistically, there are too many calls to listen to anyway. It's entirely possible that algorithms are being used to transcribe and detect certain words...
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Interesting. I have been saying this ever since Obama said "nobody is listening to your calls"
Not this s**t again. The Bourne movie where every conversation in an extremely large population was monitored simultaneously real time for the keyword "blackbriar" is pure fantasy that is computationally impossible now and forever.
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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You watched too many Bourne movies. People would not be "taken out".
Actually, I haven't. Um yes people are taken out all the time. You think if you go around spouting of about "secret" tech you won't be targeted? Might not be your body, but it could easily be something else.

Not so much what you say, but who listens.

No I not some 2D cartoon cutout who thinks people don't talk or that everyone that does ends up dead. LOL
This is different, however.

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Old 06-18-2013, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You watched too many Bourne movies. People would not be "taken out".
They aren't taken out.
They all seem to commit "suicide" instead.
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