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Old 05-13-2013, 02:44 PM
 
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In an even and fair manner. That wasn't done here.
Quite right. Which is why the IRS apologized. Their criteria for identifying questionable organizations was flawed. It's a good thing that all of those organizations who received the closer scrutiny had their applications for non-profit status approved.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:48 PM
 
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Quite right. Which is why the IRS apologized. Their criteria for identifying questionable organizations was flawed. It's a good thing that all of those organizations who received the closer scrutiny had their applications for non-profit status approved.
Now to find out who authorized it and why.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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Apologizing isn't good enough. Having the IRS harass your political enemies goes against everything in our country's foundation.

Regarding this whole IRS matter, David Plouffe helpfully pointed out via twitter that the GOP groups were crushing the Dems in fundraising. So now we know the motive.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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Now to find out who authorized it and why.
I think the why is pretty obvious. They were overwhelmed with new non-profit exemption applications, and their job is to determine which organizations qualify and which don't. Some lazy people came up with a lazy methodology to identify that some of the applicants were possibly political. The IRS is a bureaucracy first and foremost. Think bureaucratic screw-up, the obvious, rather than political conspiracy.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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Apologizing isn't good enough. Having the IRS harass your political enemies goes against everything in our country's foundation.

Regarding this whole IRS matter, David Plouffe helpfully pointed out via twitter that the GOP groups were crushing the Dems in fundraising. So now we know the motive.
UM, regarding this whole IRS matter--this is about NON-PROFIT organizations, not GOP groups. Really, quite emphatically, not GOP groups, because GOP groups would quite clearly be political groups, the majority of their activities would be POLITICAL.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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I think the why is pretty obvious. They were overwhelmed with new non-profit exemption applications, and their job is to determine which organizations qualify and which don't. Some lazy people came up with a lazy methodology to identify that some of the applicants were possibly political. The IRS is a bureaucracy first and foremost. Think bureaucratic screw-up, the obvious, rather than political conspiracy.
Umm, no. The IRS has already been called out for this and denied it. In Jan. 2012, the head of the IRS was asked about targeting conservative groups, and he said it was not being done. That was after they had expanded their criteria for identifying conservative groups in 2011. They knew what they were doing. This is not a screw up, it was deliberate targeting of groups that disagree with Obama's agenda.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:57 PM
 
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I think the why is pretty obvious. They were overwhelmed with new non-profit exemption applications, and their job is to determine which organizations qualify and which don't. Some lazy people came up with a lazy methodology to identify that some of the applicants were possibly political. The IRS is a bureaucracy first and foremost. Think bureaucratic screw-up, the obvious, rather than political conspiracy.
The investigations will determine if that's what happened or not.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:58 PM
 
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UM, regarding this whole IRS matter--this is about NON-PROFIT organizations, not GOP groups. Really, quite emphatically, not GOP groups, because GOP groups would quite clearly be political groups, the majority of their activities would be POLITICAL.
Here's the tweet David Plouffe, senior advisor to Obama during the 2012 election:

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“What IRS did dumb and wrong. Impt to note GOP groups flourished last 2 elections, overwhelming Ds. And they will use this to raise more
This was absolutely political. They were targeting conservative groups.
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Old 05-13-2013, 03:00 PM
 
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Umm, no. The IRS has already been called out for this and denied it. In Jan. 2012, the head of the IRS was asked about targeting conservative groups, and he said it was not being done. That was after they had expanded their criteria for identifying conservative groups in 2011. They knew what they were doing. This is not a screw up, it was deliberate targeting of groups that disagree with Obama's agenda.
Umm, bureaucratic screw-up. Bureaucracies are notorious for compartmentalizing things, and the head of the agency has no clue. In addition, no one, none of these groups that disagreed with Obama, was denied their non-profit status. I mean, if there's some sort of conspiracy, wouldn't it have been a better one? What's the point of a conspiracy where no one gets their non-profit status denied?
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Old 05-13-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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Umm, bureaucratic screw-up. Bureaucracies are notorious for compartmentalizing things, and the head of the agency has no clue. In addition, no one, none of these groups that disagreed with Obama, was denied their non-profit status. I mean, if there's some sort of conspiracy, wouldn't it have been a better one? What's the point of a conspiracy where no one gets their non-profit status denied?
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