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conservatives are going to waste time not understanding anything about what is released and pretending that things are foggy even when they are crystal clear.
The conservative party is in a sad state. I am being very serious. They are actually hurting the nation. It is one thing to be in opposition, it is another to attempt to take every incident and make it a scandal and look at it through those eyes completely no matter how many times it has been debunked.
The fact is there was ONE person at one point working on all of these applications for tax exempt status for 501's, the idea that there was a conspiracy from the White House to the leadership of the IRS to one employee is ridiculous.
Yet conservatives keep lying to themselves that this was coordinated, you mean coordinated from the White House to the leadership of the Treasury Department, to the leadership of the IRS, to the one person in the IRS who was working on this stuff.
Common sense suggests that to the IRS these groups filing for 501c tax exempt status was low priority because they only had ONE person working on them for a time.
Also, why would the White House and the leadership of the Treasury, and the leadership of the IRS tell this one IRS employee to let these groups applications lag instead of just rejecting them?
If you are planning to use a government agency to hurt your political opponents, you'd throw a lot of agency resources, which didn't happen, you act swiftly to carry out plan, which didn't happen.
Yet, there is an Obamaspiracy at the IRS.
So now there was JUST one person doing this? Who was that? Next you will say the lone IRSer was a conservative. Give me a break! Better yet wake UP! The dems comicly said it was 2 rogue employees in cinci, when it has already been proven to be linked to other offices.
If she didn't break any laws, there's no need for the 5th. She must have remembered something. You know, memory is such a convenient thing, just like the 5th, to be invoked (or not) depending on the question.
"I don't recall" is such a great safety net.
I know, we mustn't assume guilt or innocence just because someone invokes the 5th Amendment. However, when anyone does, it sure doesn't look good.
She had been accused of breaking the law by the person chairing the Committee. Her Attys would be very remiss if they did not advise her to take the 5th. The Committee hearing is not a Court of Law where making a statement would negate any later option to invoke the 5th in relation to questioning. If Issa wants to accuse her of a crime and has evidence, he should present it to the Justice Dept. Beyond that, it's just political theater. The IRS admitted to mistakes, they are taking steps to resolve them and the Admin is making sure they do just that. Nothing else to see here...
She had been accused of breaking the law by the person chairing the Committee. Her Attys would be very remiss if they did not advise her to take the 5th. The Committee hearing is not a Court of Law where making a statement would negate any later option to invoke the 5th in relation to questioning. If Issa wants to accuse her of a crime and has evidence, he should present it to the Justice Dept. Beyond that, it's just political theater. The IRS admitted to mistakes, they are taking steps to resolve them and the Admin is making sure they do just that. Nothing else to see here...
"nothing to see here..." is the term the Admin uses to deflect and dismiss anything that could become a big problem and embarrassment for the WH. Interesting that you have adopted that term.
Can you tell us what steps the IRS is taking to "resolve" their "mistakes", and how the Administration is making sure that happens?
"nothing to see here..." is the term the Admin uses to deflect and dismiss anything that could become a big problem and embarrassment for the WH. Interesting that you have adopted that term.
Can you tell us what steps the IRS is taking to "resolve" their "mistakes", and how the Administration is making sure that happens?
I'd love to see your recap of both.
Here .. What's the matter, did they cut the power to the Beitfart cave?
"nothing to see here..." is the term the Admin uses to deflect and dismiss anything that could become a big problem and embarrassment for the WH. Interesting that you have adopted that term.
Can you tell us what steps the IRS is taking to "resolve" their "mistakes", and how the Administration is making sure that happens?
I'd love to see your recap of both.
Why bother? There is nothing to gain by even addressing lame attempts to dismiss the trampling of peoples constitutional and civil rights.
Included therein is a link to the IG report if facts are of interest.
Bob, i feel we keep going in circles here! If obama ousted the leader of the scandal then why is she pleading the fifth? You ment the acting leader of the irs who was leaving in a few weeks, was asked to resign, did resign but is staying on till.... Wait for it...... Until he was leaving anyways!
Bob, i feel we keep going in circles here! If obama ousted the leader of the scandal then why is she pleading the fifth? You ment the acting leader of the irs who was leaving in a few weeks, was asked to resign, did resign but is staying on till.... Wait for it...... Until he was leaving anyways!
???? Lost me there. Oh well, actual legit craps is going on downstairs, I think it is time to invest.
What does "to restore and preserve ordered liberty in local communities" mean? What does "ordered liberty" mean? If I received an application from a group stating that this is their goal, I'd be investigating.
A concept in constitutional law that the due process requirements applicable to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution do not incorporate all the provisions of the first 10 amendments (the so-called Bill of Rights), but only those measures essential for the preservation of a scheme of “ordered liberty.” All that is meant is that due process contains within itself certain minimum standards which are ‘of the very essence of a scheme of ordered liberty.’” 332 U.S. 46, 65 n. 28 quoting 302 U.S. 319, 325.
The restrictive view of due process expressed by this doctrine has been largely replaced today by a broader view of incorporating nearly all of the Bill of Rights as a national standard of fundamental fairness. If a right embodied in the Bill of Rights is “fundamental to the American scheme of justice,” it will today be regarded as applicable to the states through the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
See 391 U.S. 145. For instance, the right to trial by jury, recognized almost universally in American law, has been held applicable to the states in all but petty cases, which have been defined as those involving possible sanctions involving less than six months imprisonment.
New York City alone in the nation defined petty in terms of one year which was held to be an impermissible deviation from the national norm. See 399 U.S. 66.
Duh, it's their job to evaluate these requests for fraud. Profiling is a long standing tactic they use. "Lynchpins of Liberty"? They'd be on my short list of orgs needing a thorough look.
Profiling?
Let's use your example and see if it works.
So police in a local community have had a spike in crime. The police on the ground decide to create a policy where they're more likely to catch crime doers in the act or right before they're about to commit the act/acts.
So they decide it's the purple people who are most likely to be the ones to commit the crimes. They come up with a policy where people of purple persuasion will be pulled over and searched. When they start the program they're pulling over purple people who fit the description of the crime doers. Eventually they pull over all purple people, they stick them in jails and then forward their cases to the special investigations division who has one person working cases. Later, the public finds out that purple people have been targeted and the police have a BOLO (be on the look out) list of potential suspects.
Then the SHTF because come to find out the police sent 100% of purple people to these jails. The people find out the police have quiet literally integrated purple people for months on end. The people also find out that some of these people have been in the jails for over three years and some of the purple people have died from exhaustion and/or old age. The people also find out that only 6% of the purple people even had a record and out of all the purple people detained none have been charged with a crime.
So, does profiling sound like it worked? Does the fact that the police commissioner is a republican mean anything? Does it matter, and does it make it better, that none were charged with a crime even, as is the case for some, they've been in purgatory for over three years? Were purple people's rights violated? Do the purple people have a legitimate grievance against the police department?
???? Lost me there. Oh well, actual legit craps is going on downstairs, I think it is time to invest.
Not surprised since you are clueless. The article says miller is still testifing even though he resigned. It leaves out that he was testifing as the acting head or the irs on the peoples dime the day after resigning. It doesnt mention that he was not in charge when the targeting was actually happening, and that he was leaving the position in june regardless. It was common knowledge he was leaving well before this obama dog and pony show.
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