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Old 01-15-2013, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The first two causes you listed are perfectly reasonable and you know it.

As far as the third one, I never said or implied that she did anything related to that.
Actually the first two suggestions were pure crazy thought and you obviously don't know it.

 
Old 01-15-2013, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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She obviously had acting talent otherwise she would have left acting. It doesn't negate that she was possibly pushed into it at an unusually young age.

Have you really never heard of other child actors having troubled lives?
So she is troubled because she is gay or is she gay because she is troubled?
 
Old 01-15-2013, 10:01 PM
 
Location: US
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Male homosexuality- happens before birth due to excess hormones of a stressed mother.
Female- "may"* be the same however, is more likely due to environmental stimulus
...women with stressed mothers are said to be mostly more anxious due to current studies. Perhaps they can link that similarly to males pre birth exposure to stress.
-males can also be a combo of the two.

However these factors are not limited. Chemicals in food and water (such as BPA) have been said to contribute to sex hormone secretions.
 
Old 01-15-2013, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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That is what I have gathered from her recent public appearance where she mentions "coming out" and the accusations of her sexuality, and also mentions her mother.

This is a slap in the face to the gay-activist types who like to claim that homosexuality is a normal inborn trait.

What do you think?
It can be different for different people. Sexuality is an extremely complex thing. It isn't black and white. For Jodie Foster it may be because of her relationship with her mother.
 
Old 01-15-2013, 10:11 PM
 
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It can be different for different people. Sexuality is an extremely complex thing. It isn't black and white. For Jodie Foster it may be because of her relationship with her mother.
That sounds perfectly reasonable and open minded to me.

But be prepared to be labelled a NARROW MINDED BIGOT by people who disagree and are unable to think of any intelligent response to that idea.
 
Old 01-15-2013, 10:13 PM
 
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Male homosexuality- happens before birth due to excess hormones of a stressed mother.
Female- "may"* be the same however, is more likely due to environmental stimulus
...women with stressed mothers are said to be mostly more anxious due to current studies. Perhaps they can link that similarly to males pre birth exposure to stress.
-males can also be a combo of the two.

However these factors are not limited. Chemicals in food and water (such as BPA) have been said to contribute to sex hormone secretions.

Oh come on....I know a women who had 23 children and from what I understand the growing up years were harry-carry....she was always pregnant apparently and most were guys. None of them are gay. Just imagine a women with the laundry and the dish pan hands with a sex maniac coming home each night.

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Old 01-15-2013, 10:28 PM
 
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As I said before on another post that referenced Foster, and which mentioned how graceful and something-or-other she was when she gave her speech, if these types of posts are accepted as topics of "Politics and Other Controversies," lots of valuable people's opinions and viewpoints will be lost here at this board, because people will become bored and they will leave.

Somehow my similarly-worded post in another thread was deleted; however, I sent a DM to the moderator asking why, because other people had posted on the same thread with a time stamp later than my post.

I do not get City Data sometimes, and why some posts are obliterated for no reason.

There seem to be many Hollywood nonsense postings here lately. Don't they belong someplace else?
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:38 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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so she is troubled because she is gay or is she gay because she is troubled?
Yes.
Jodie Foster - relationship with her mother caused her homosexuality-snake-cagydu9r.jpg
 
Old 01-16-2013, 12:34 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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If people don't want to see any correlation, that is fine. However, it made perfect sense to me yesterday and I have been hearing about how she felt a lot of pressure from her mother during her young years as an actress.

What really bothers me, though, is the thoughtless attitude from the gay-activist types whose main agenda is to attack Christianity. Is it really so bad when a Christian shows concern for someone who is suffering from homosexuality? Someone who might even wish to know more about how to recover from the condition?

I guess it just doesn't fit into some people's selfish agendas. They will continue to tell homosexuals to "Toughen up and accept it! Don't try to change because you can't. And you are helping our anti-Christian agenda in the process."
It is not a condition and we do not suffer from it, nor do we need or want your help. It is bad when christians choose to not mind their own business and try to "help" people who do not want it. It seems the main aganda of christians and the church is to attack and discriminate against homosexual people. It is thoughtless and biased of christians to force their beliefs on others who are not interested. Whay can't they just mind their own houses and leave others alone. maybe christians should try to solve their rampant divorce rate before they attack others.
 
Old 01-16-2013, 04:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by OzzyRules View Post
That is what I have gathered from her recent public appearance where she mentions "coming out" and the accusations of her sexuality, and also mentions her mother.

This is a slap in the face to the gay-activist types who like to claim that homosexuality is a normal inborn trait.

What do you think?
That you are dreaming. Please slap yourself in the face and wake up.

But just in case you are actually serious, perhaps this might help:

Royal College of Psychiatrists
"Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment."



American Academy of Pediatrics
“…the current literature and most scholars in the field state that one’s sexual orientation is not a choice; that is, individuals do not choose to be homosexual or heterosexual.”


American Academy of Pediatricians
"there is no scientific evidence that abnormal parenting, sexual abuse, or other adverse life events influence sexual orientation."


Sexual hormones and the brain: an essential alliance for sexual identity and sexual orientation (2010)
Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35. Epub 2009 Nov 24. Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF.
The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb.

There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.



Brain scans have provided the most compelling evidence yet that being gay or straight is a biologically fixed trait.
The scans reveal that in gay people, key structures of the brain governing emotion, mood, anxiety and aggressiveness resemble those in straight people of the opposite sex.

"This is the most robust measure so far of cerebral differences between homosexual and heterosexual subjects," she says.

Previous studies have also shown differences inbrain architecture and activity between gay and straight people, but most relied on people's responses to sexuality driven cues that could have been learned, such as rating the attractiveness of male or female faces.

To get round this, Savic and her colleague, Per Lindström, chose to measure brain parameters likely to have been fixed at birth.

"That was the whole point of the study, to show parameters that differ, but which couldn't be altered by learning or cognitive processes," says Savic.

"This study demonstrates that homosexuals of both sexes show strong cross-sex shifts in brain symmetry," says Qazi Rahman, a leading researcher on sexual orientation at Queen Mary college, University of London, UK.

"The connectivity differences reported in the amygdala are striking."
"Paradoxically, it's more informative to look at things that have no direct connection with sexual orientation, and that's where this study scores," says Simon LeVay, a prominent US author who in 1991 reported finding differences(pdf) in a part of the brain called the hypothalamus between straight and gay men.




PET and MRI show differences in cerebral asymmetry and functional connectivity between homo- and heterosexual subjects
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/20...66105.abstract


"Epigenetics – how gene expression is regulated by temporary switches, called epi-marks – appears to be a critical and overlooked factor contributing to the long-standing puzzle of why homosexuality occurs". In the current study, researchers... integrated evolutionary theory with recent advances in the molecular regulation of gene expression and androgen-dependent sexual development to produce a biological and mathematical model that delineates the role of epigenetics in homosexuality" (2012)
http://www.sciencenewsline.com/artic...116360019.html


"There's a converging line of evidence between the hormonal studies, the genetic studies , and the neuroanatomical studies. My research has identified candidate genes within these new chromosomal regions that could link together all of these different findings”

Mustanski, B. S.; DuPree, M. G.; Nievergelt, C. M.; Bocklandt, S.; Schork, N. J.; Hamer, D. H. (2005)
A genomewide scan of male sexual orientation. [Hum Genet. 2005] - PubMed result



Relationships among childhood sex-atypical be... [Arch Sex Behav. 2002] - PubMed - NCBI

Several studies report that the cognitive performance of gay males is more typical of heterosexual females than heterosexual males.

Furthermore, the brain waves of gay males while performing verbal and spatial tasks are more similar to heterosexual females than males or significantly different from both."

Relationships among childhood sex-atypical behavior, spatial ability, handedness, and sexual orientation in men. Cohen KM. Arch Sex Behav. (2002)
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And a few more brain studies:

Sexual orientation and its basis in brain structure and function

PET and MRI show differences in cerebral asymmetry and functional connectivity between homo- and heterosexual subjects

Brain response to putative pheromones in homosexual men

Sexual orientation and the size of the anterior commissure in the human brain

Brain response to putative pheromones in lesbian women

http://reberlab.psych.northwestern.e...ron_BN2007.pdf

and a few more studies:


Camperio Ciani, A., Cermelli, P., & Zanzotto, G. (2008). Sexually
antagonistic selection in human male homosexuality. Plos One, in
press.

Rahman, Q., Collins, A., Morrison, M., Orrells, J. C., Cadinouche, K.,
Greenfield, S., et al. (2008). Maternal inheritance and familial
fecundity factors in male homosexuality. Archives of Sexual
Behavior, 37.

Camperio Ciani, A., Iemmola, F., & Lombardi, L. (2008). Male
homosexuality partly correlates with an increased androphilia
and fecundity in females from maternal line

Vasey, P. L., & VanderLaan, D. P. (2007). Birth order and male
androphilia in Samoan fa’afafine. Proceedings of the Royal
Society of London, Series B: Biological Sciences, 274, 1437–1442.

Blanchard, R., & Lippa, R. A. (2007). Birth order, sibling sex ratio,
handedness, and sexual orientation of male and female participants
Archives of Sexual Behavior, 36, 163–176.

Savolainen,V.,&Lehmann,L. (2007). Genetics and bisexuality. Nature,
445, 158–159.

Bogaert, A. F. (2006). Biological versus nonbiological older brothers
and men’s sexual orientation. Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences, 103, 10771–10774.

Rahman, Q., & Hull, M. S. (2005). An empirical test of the kin
selection hypothesis for male homosexuality. Archives of Sexual
Behavior, 34, 461–467.

King, M., Green, J., Osborn, D. P. J., Arkell, J., Hetherton, J., &
Pereira, E. (2005). Family size in white gay and heterosexual men.
Archives of Sexual Behavior, 34, 117–122.

Camperio Ciani, A., Corna, F., & Capiluppi, C. (2004). Evidence for
maternally inherited factors favouring male homosexuality and
promoting female fecundity. Proceedings of the Royal Society of
London, Series B: Biological Sciences, 271, 2217–2221.

DuPree,M.G.,Mustanski, B. S.,Bocklandt, S., Nievergelt, C.,&Hamer,
D. H. (2004). A candidate gene study of CYP19 (aromatase) and
male sexual orientation. Behavior Genetics, 34, 243–250.

Blanchard, R. (2004). Quantitative and theoretical analyses of the
relation between older brothers and homosexuality in men.
Journal of Theoretical Biology, 230, 173–187.

Bobrow, D., & Bailey, J. M. (2001). Is male homosexuality maintained
via kin selection? Evolution and Human Behavior, 22, 361–368.

Bailey, J. M., Pillard, R. C., Dawood, K., Miller, M. B., Farrer, L. A.,
Tivedi, S., et al. (1999). A family history study of male sexual
orientation using three independent samples. Behavior Genetics,
29, 79–86.

Blanchard, R. (1997). Birth order and sibling sex ratio in homosexual
versus heterosexual males and females. Annual Review of Sex
Research, 8, 27–67.

Blanchard, R., & Klassen, P. (1997). H-Y antigen and homosexuality
in men. Journal of Theoretical Biology, 185, 373–378.

Hu,S., Pattatucci,A.M., Patterson, C.,Li,L.,Fulker,D.W.,Cherny, S.S.,
et al. (1995). Linkage between sexual orientation and chromosome
Xq28 in males but not in females. Nature Genetics, 11, 248–256.

Vasey, P. L. (1995). Homosexual behavior in primates: A review of
evidence and theory. International Journal of Primatology, 16,
173–204.

Hamer, D. H., Hu, S., Magnuson, V. L., Hu, N., & Pattattucci, A. M.
(1993). A linkage between DNA markers on the X chromosome
and male sexual orientation. Science, 261, 321–327.


Bailey, J. M., & Pillard, R. C. (1991). A genetic study of male sexual
orientation. Archives of General Psychiatry, 48, 1089–1096.
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