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Old 05-13-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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Well there are not actual estimates of the number of homosexuals when it was criminalised however there are alot of writings by church and secular sources, and Medieval Jewish/Spanish sources and the link below goes into more details:
Internet History Sourcebooks Project
first of all they're jewish sources stunk.
in Jewish law it brought down that Jews Spain was the weakest country in this regard (though they were still much better then the gentile public at the time and the world today). amongst Jews that was a anomaly rather then the rule. besides the fact that it's overplayed in this article which is easy to disprove some of his claims based on simple Jewish understanding (no clue as to how to interpret the rambam for example)

almost no jews had homosexual relations. frankly if you look at many different antiquity sources you can see that Jews strongly were against homosexuality.

there's a reason why Kinsey acknowledged that homosexuality was almost non existent amongst Orthodox Jew.

so yes many more people who (according to you the % of people attracted to the same sex is the same) were attracted to members of the same sex who didn't act on it.

 
Old 05-13-2012, 08:30 AM
 
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My views? You mean to say a majority of Americans don't you?
and the founders of this country.
 
Old 05-13-2012, 08:33 AM
 
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If this kind of Amendment were to appear in the rest of the states, I can bet you any money that it would pass. You liberals are outnumbered and outsmarted, maybe it would be a good time to emigrate to Canada or France because America don't want your kind around here.
I think this has been put to the voters in 32 (?) states and it has has passed in every single one of them.

I guess we have now come to the point where what the majority of voters think doesn't matter any more.
 
Old 05-13-2012, 08:38 AM
 
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I think this has been put to the voters in 32 (?) states and it has has passed in every single one of them.

I guess we have now come to the point where what the majority of voters think doesn't matter any more.
When it comes to Civil rights, no the majority is irrelevant. Our Constitution is designed to protect the minority from the Will of the Majority.

There is no majority rule in this country.
 
Old 05-13-2012, 08:41 AM
 
Location: NC
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If only the gays would give up their goal of usurping "marriage" from it's traditional definition of one man, one woman.

Most are in favor of civil unions, but the more the radical gays and their supporters PUSH for the mantle of marriage, the more people dig in and say NO.

31 states have banned it, 42 states have statutory laws defining marriage between a man and a woman.

They are losing the battle, no matter how many polls say voters are more amenable to GM...when it comes time to actually VOTE, they choose to keep the traditional definition of marriage.

The gays only want the "marriage" title so that they can then demand the lifestyle be taught in schools as normal/natural.
Gay marriage was already against the law in NC. This bans civil unions too....straight or gay.
 
Old 05-13-2012, 08:44 AM
 
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And there was no law preventing black people from marrying other black people. They were equal. Whites and Blacks could equally only marry someone of the same race. 96% of Americans agreed with that position.

The Supreme Court still said it's wrong and Unconstitutional.

This, gays can marry the opposite sex argument is just as patently stupid, and is only presented by people completely oblivious to how the law works.
The SC upheld the right to marry that everyone already has fulfilling the fundamental one and only requirement that constitutes marriage of one man one woman. Everybody has the “right” to marry, even the homosexual. That this does not accommodate the unique and peculiar predicament of the homosexual is most unfortunate and too bad. People can’t marry somebody already married either.

The sexual preference of homosexuality and race are two entirely different and separate issues. The homosexual radicals seem to believe that if they tell the lie that sexual preference is somehow a race often enough and loudly enough that they will be able to hoodwink society into believing this nefarious deception.

 
Old 05-13-2012, 08:47 AM
 
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which was linked to procreation
The folks who cite Loving's statement that marriage is a basic civil right usually leave out the rest of the sentence--- "fundamental to our very existence and survival." The judges held the quaint notion that marriage and procreation were somehow connected and important to society.

What's worse is the citation to a 1942 case dealing with forced sterilization of repeat 'moral turpitude' offenders. The court wrote ---

"We are dealing here with legislation which involves one of the basic civil rights of man. Marriage and procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race. The power to sterilize, if exercised, may have subtle, far-reaching and devastating effects."

Imagine that. 70 years ago, the court actually had the nerve to use the words 'marriage' and 'procreation' in the same sentence as fundamental. Crackpots.
 
Old 05-13-2012, 08:55 AM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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first of all they're jewish sources stunk.
in Jewish law it brought down that Jews Spain was the weakest country in this regard (though they were still much better then the gentile public at the time and the world today). amongst Jews that was a anomaly rather then the rule. besides the fact that it's overplayed in this article which is easy to disprove some of his claims based on simple Jewish understanding (no clue as to how to interpret the rambam for example)

almost no jews had homosexual relations. frankly if you look at many different antiquity sources you can see that Jews strongly were against homosexuality.

there's a reason why Kinsey acknowledged that homosexuality was almost non existent amongst Orthodox Jew.

so yes many more people who (according to you the % of people attracted to the same sex is the same) were attracted to members of the same sex who didn't act on it.
^^^I think this is a huge point. People want to commit adultry,
many more want to fornicate. The Bible clearly says all these
things are wrong.

We do not always understand why God does things, who am I
to question Him? It is mentioned over and over and over, in the
Bible, that homosexuality is wrong.

God has laws for us to live by, we either live by these laws or
perish. I choose to live.
 
Old 05-13-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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With regards to Loving v Virginia the definition of marriage at the time of the Supreme Court decision is one man one woman.



Nothing was said, mentioned, included, implied, or inferred about the homosexual or same sex couple pairings.
 
Old 05-13-2012, 09:15 AM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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The below facts are problematic to those in favor of gay marriage, so they will deny or skirt this issues:

- Marriage is not an outright civil right; that is why states have varying prereqs for couples before they can marry

- A civil right is based upon something you are born with and cannot control; race, ethnicity, gender. To this day there is NO conclusive scientific proof that people are born gay, only that they may be born with certain propensities to strong urges including alcoholism, sex-addiction, etc (despite activists attempts to convince us otherwise such as the "gay gene" fraud story several years ago)

- If gay marriage is legalized on a national basis, large numbers of people will LOSE rights; Christians, Jews and Muslims will lose the right to refuse to service gay weddings, counselors to advise against aspects of the gay lifestyle, and basically anyone to speak their disagreement of it
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