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Until Microsoft starts rounding up people with PS3s and putting them into camps, the evil that corporations perpetrate will never equal the evil that can be perpetrated by a govenrment. Corporations operate under the law (most of the time), while the government is the law.
No liberty interests not = incarceration...liberty interests = procedural due process concerns. You should know that if you have been in law school.
As I said corporations tend to do thing without authorization a.k.a. illegally, and since corporations are basically legal fictions protecting the people running them it allows people to do all sorts of things that take things from people and deny them due process.
I was telling you what I meant by liberty interests... I meant it literally, not legally.
Corporations tend to do things illegally just like human beings tend to do things illegally - that's why we have a court system, and if that is your concern - then the question you should ask is why are people so paranoid of the government but not people?
I was telling you what I meant by liberty interests... I meant it literally, not legally.
Corporations tend to do things illegally just like human beings tend to do things illegally - that's why we have a court system, and if that is your concern - then the question you should ask is why are people so paranoid of the government but not people?
That is easy government is a whole lot less subtle.
The question you should ask is why are people so much more paranoid of corporations then just people? Personally I think is because Walmart, Google, and Exxon-Mobile are far more powerful then any person and far more able to co-opt government then ordinary people.
As to corporations and the court system. Its rare that corporate crime is successfully prosecuted on a large scale, that is why when it happens it makes the news.
That is easy government is a whole lot less subtle.
The question you should ask is why are people so much more paranoid of corporations then just people? Personally I think is because Walmart, Google, and Exxon-Mobile are far more powerful then any person and far more able to co-opt government then ordinary people.
As to corporations and the court system. Its rare that corporate crime is successfully prosecuted, that is why when it happens it makes the news.
I'm more paranoid of people than corporations - when was the last time a drunk corporation careened into oncoming traffic because it was drunk? When was the last time a corporation committed a violent rape?
But, corporations only have power because voters are apathetic, and mildly stupid. It would be very easy to make piercing the corporate veil easier and more meaningful... However, we won't.
As it stands right now, I might actually benefit from strong corporations, so perhaps I want to keep the status quo? We talk about evil corporations, but corporations do benefit a lot of people - I think people like to vilify corporations while forgetting that most aren't gigantic or evil - they exist to encourage business and investment.
I'm more paranoid of people than corporations - when was the last time a drunk corporation careened into oncoming traffic because it was drunk? When was the last time a corporation committed a violent rape?
But, corporations only have power because voters are apathetic, and mildly stupid. It would be very easy to make piercing the corporate veil easier and more meaningful... However, we won't.
As it stands right now, I might actually benefit from strong corporations, so perhaps I want to keep the status quo?
Personally if someone is going to drive drunk, or commit rape there is not much you can do until after the fact unless you are in the right place at the right time. However, if corporations start getting to cozy with government there is a big problem, you can see it from a mile away and you possibly can do something about.
I tend to agree with you about a lot of voters though. Not gonna comment on benefiting from corporations save to say that everyone benefits from strong corporations until they don't.
Until Microsoft starts rounding up people with PS3s and putting them into camps, the evil that corporations perpetrate will never equal the evil that can be perpetrated by a govenrment. Corporations operate under the law (most of the time), while the government is the law.
As long as government and corporations are separate sure. When they get together then you get problems. If you doubt this just google Company rule in India. The problem now is corporations are seeking a much wider role in government.
As long as government and corporations are separate sure. When they get together then you get problems. If you doubt this just google Company rule in India. The problem now is corporations are seeking a much wider role in government.
In reality, not in government-speak, how separate are General Electric and General Motors, from Government, right now?
If we are not satisfied with the government, we can vote them out.
BTW, concerning the abuses of corporations, we are talking about more than a tasteless cheese spread or something of the like. We are talking about abuse of employees, takeover and destruction of our natural resources, and control of our economy.
Even then if you are not satisfied with say MARS INC for slavery (in those countries Legal) they employ in Africa and South America to harvest their Chocolate, don't buy their product, and you can only do so much in terms of government, you can only vote out 2 senators and a repersenitive, most of the Federal Government is out of your or your areas control.
I was thinking that those who control the water and oil supply control the people. Taking control of these resources is a tactic used to take control of a country.
We saw by the "pink slime" issue what a private corporation will do for profit. What would a private company allow in our water supply to increase profits?
This is what happened to Atlanta residents when city water service was sold off to private contractors:
Atlanta, with more than 500,000 residents, says it already has the highest water rates of any major city in the United States, due in part to federal consent decrees to overhaul the city's water supply infrastructure.
Source: EPA.gov
Many of the problems arose after the installation of new, automated water meters, which began nearly five years ago, and involved contracts for meter installations, the electronic meters and software equipment.
The automated meter-reading technology eliminates the need for city workers to manually check every meter. Instead, they retrieve the data by driving by each property. The meter electronically transmits data showing the amount of water used.
From the beginning, there were problems.
In 2007, city auditors found they were "unable to verify electronic meter readings" because of "meter read errors, equipment failures or human errors."
Specifically, the audit said "about 9% of the meters could not be read due to broken or malfunctioning equipment."
I thought we were sinking in a hole of water. It scared me to death. I thought we had a major leak when I got the bill.
--Debbi Scarborough, Atlanta residential water customer
Two years later, another audit concluded that a "high number of accounts" were not getting "actual meter readings" because of "meter read errors, equipment failures or human errors."
a few people got bills for a montly water bill of over $7,000.00
Until Microsoft starts rounding up people with PS3s and putting them into camps, the evil that corporations perpetrate will never equal the evil that can be perpetrated by a govenrment. Corporations operate under the law (most of the time), while the government is the law.
Microsoft is xBox360. Sony is PS3.
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