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Corporations can't take from you without the government's help.... the government can take from you whenever it wants... which one would I be more cautious of...
Besides, corporate influence over government is technically making government weaker and corporations stronger... unless corporations is your government. It should be expected.
But then, what exactly do you think government is supposed to be? Perhaps we should start there.
Government has not gotten weaker, in fact government is stronger now than it has ever been in our history, progressively so.
Corporations gain power through government. See, the problem with big business is that it gets lazy. It likes the big money rolling in and it doesn't like having to work for it as that means competing and innovating. So, instead, some of these big businesses (not all are this way) begin to find ways using government to retain their hold on markets.
Be it the utility company in CA using regulation/deregulation as a means to destroy competition, GE riding the "clean energy and technology" handouts and regulations (as well as the carbon trading companies), Banks using the idiocy of government loan backing, etc.. so on and so forth.
Heck, the current movement to regulate the internet is championed by ISP's (don't be fooled by some their publicly displayed opposition, the cable companies are salivating over it).
The point is, without the government to dictate (tell the consumer and business in general what they can and can not do, how they must operate and inundating them with bureaucratic process), these companies trying to gain power holds would be strictly at the mercy of the consumer and the consumer, while it can be sweat prom date when it is satisfied, it is like a scorned woman when it is not. That is, a business lives and dies by the word of the consumer, so naturally, the way to deal with such a fickle component is simply to control it through government.
Government is not your friend, it is your master. Make no mistake about that.
We the People of the Corporation, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the Corporation.
Authority I don't think they have the authority. Doesn't mean they will not do it anyway often with few, or no real consequences.
Liberty interests = incarceration. I have yet to hear of a corporation throwing someone in their own personal jail because of a contract dispute.
Indeed, a corporation derives it's power from the state, because the state recognizes and allows it to exist, further, the corporation can only compel people to say, perform a contract or pay damages by getting a court order.
because if your not satisfied with say Kraft Foods, you can stop buying their porducts, if your dissatisfied with the government then you have to move to a new Country to escape it.
Corporations can't take from you without the government's help.... the government can take from you whenever it wants... which one would I be more cautious of...
Corporations almost took away our clean air and clean water had it not been for government help.
because if your not satisfied with say Kraft Foods, you can stop buying their porducts, if your dissatisfied with the government then you have to move to a new Country to escape it.
If we are not satisfied with the government, we can vote them out.
BTW, concerning the abuses of corporations, we are talking about more than a tasteless cheese spread or something of the like. We are talking about abuse of employees, takeover and destruction of our natural resources, and control of our economy.
Liberty interests = incarceration. I have yet to hear of a corporation throwing someone in their own personal jail because of a contract dispute.
Indeed, a corporation derives it's power from the state, because the state recognizes and allows it to exist, further, the corporation can only compel people to say, perform a contract or pay damages by getting a court order.
No liberty interests not = incarceration...liberty interests = substantive due process concerns. You should know that if you have been in law school.
As I said corporations tend to do thing without authorization a.k.a. illegally, and since corporations are basically legal fictions protecting the people running them it allows people to do all sorts of things that take things from people and deny them due process.
EDIT: type procedural and meant substantive.
Last edited by Randomstudent; 04-04-2012 at 07:02 PM..
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