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Old 03-07-2012, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Houston
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If the government says "You will do this in order to receive our money", and the "this" interfered with your religious practice, then yes. If there was a law on the books that forbade the drinking of all alcoholic products while on any sort of welfare, unless religious ceremonies are explicitly exempt, it would include religious-based use of alcohol (such as with nearly every Jewish holiday).

Plain and simple, money comes with strings. Government money comes with strings. If you don't like the strings, don't take the money.
So the government can tell a Muslim convienance store owner he must convert to Christianity if he accepts food stamps?
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:34 AM
 
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So the government can tell a Muslim convienance store owner he must convert to Christianity if he accepts food stamps?
Maybe he must carry bacon or pork
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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So the government can tell a Muslim convienance store owner he must convert to Christianity if he accepts food stamps?
Is that what you're taking out of this?

To quote a good friend of mine "THE CROWD GOES WILD WITH DISMAY, AND THEN COMMITS MASS SUICIDE".

Now that the pleasantries are out of the way, No. What it means is that when a religion goes into a public business like healthcare, receives government money, and goes through constant certification by the state (hospital and doctors alike) that the company must adapt more secular practices.

A restaurant is able to say "I will serve only Catholics". It would be a PR nightmare, but nothing stops them. A hospital cannot do this.
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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And you also have the right to pay for your own birth control without expecting others to subsidize your sexual activity.
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:47 AM
 
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And you also have the right to pay for your own birth control without expecting others to subsidize your sexual activity.
And what of women who take birth control reasons other than actually controlling the conception of a child? They, too, pay out of pocket for it.
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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And what of women who take birth control reasons other than actually controlling the conception of a child? They, too, pay out of pocket for it.
If there is a medical condition that requires the use of birth control pills, then fine, it should be covered. Mandating insurance companies to cover BCP so that you can sleep around to your heart's desire? NO. That was never the intent of health insurance. People need to stop being babies and expect everyone else to pay for every little thing. You want to sleep around without the worry of getting knocked up? Then PAY FOR IT YOURSELF.
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I don't want to be paying for your's or for other people's irresponsibility or behavior. If you can't afford to have a baby or don't want one yet. Then men, keep your zippers zipped and women, keep your legs closed until marriage.
Yeah, and we know how well it works. Heck, not even Catholic priest do that.

Not that you'd have anything against getting married and creating a boat load of children, would you?

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The cost of living in society. You can't get out of it unless you live on an island by yourself.
They want to be dependent, and rely on others.

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Having a baby is not a disease. Getting pregnant is not a disease. Keep insurance for things we need to stay healthy. Don't tell people, like Sibelius did, that babies are detrimental to our society. One crazy person talking is all we need to hear from.
I question your hearing, if not your ability to comprehend Sebelius' words. Or, are you just lying to get your point across?
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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If there is a medical condition that requires the use of birth control pills, then fine, it should be covered. Mandating insurance companies to cover BCP so that you can sleep around to your heart's desire? NO. That was never the intent of health insurance. People need to stop being babies and expect everyone else to pay for every little thing. You want to sleep around without the worry of getting knocked up? Then PAY FOR IT YOURSELF.
Ah, but as it is, if it doesn't cover birth control for rampant sexy times with 100 partners in one night, then it also doesn't cover when a woman needs it for anything else. Yet prescription drug coverage covers Viagra.

Here's the thing. Insurance companies should not be cherry picking what medications they flat out won't cover. If the insurance plan includes prescription drug coverage, then all prescription drugs should be covered - even if just on a tiered level. Just because somebody has a moral dilemma over how birth control pills are used doesn't mean that others should be affected by their twisted panties.
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Ah, but as it is, if it doesn't cover birth control for rampant sexy times with 100 partners in one night, then it also doesn't cover when a woman needs it for anything else. Yet prescription drug coverage covers Viagra.

Here's the thing. Insurance companies should not be cherry picking what medications they flat out won't cover. If the insurance plan includes prescription drug coverage, then all prescription drugs should be covered - even if just on a tiered level. Just because somebody has a moral dilemma over how birth control pills are used doesn't mean that others should be affected by their twisted panties.
The prescribing doctor can write an appeal to the insurance company explaining the off label use for a prescription. Simple solution and problem solved. I would like to see the same thing with Viagra. My insurance premiums should not have to help fund some guy's stiffy. If he has a medical condition that requires a prescription of viagra, then the prescribing doctor can write an appeal to the ins. co.
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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The prescribing doctor can write an appeal to the insurance company explaining the off label use for a prescription. Simple solution and problem solved. I would like to see the same thing with Viagra. My insurance premiums should not have to help fund some guy's stiffy. If he has a medical condition that requires a prescription of viagra, then the prescribing doctor can write an appeal to the ins. co.
Waste of time and money to make appeals for every case.

All prescription drugs should be included in a prescription drug insurance plan.

Cherry picking because of twisted panties is plain silly.
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