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Old 02-26-2012, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Then it should have been written that way, clearly, and without legal ambiguity in regards to abortion. I wonder why it wasn't?
Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant.
8 (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any
9 rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various
10 administrative agencies of this State, the words "person",
11 "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant
12 member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any
13 stage of development.
14 (b) As used in this Section, the term "born alive", with
15 respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the
16 complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that
17 member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion
18 or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of
19 the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary
20 muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been
21 cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction
22 occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean
23 section, or induced abortion.
24 (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall
25 be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate
26 protection under the law.

Could not be any more clear. It did not need 2,000 + pages like some bills.
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:50 PM
 
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Illinois’ preexisting protections were “loophole-ridden” and only applied to babies who were considered to have “sustainable survivability,” leaving pre-“viable” newborns unprotected.

The Chicago Tribune reported that “prosecutors in IL entered into a consent decree in 1993 agreeing not to prosecute doctors for apparent or alleged violations of the law based on ‘born alive’ definitions or other definitions.

A de facto legalization of infanticide under certain conditions was already in place in Illinois, and Obama’s votes blocked measures to end it.
Obama is worse than a monster in this
and look at his minions rushing in to say it ain't so
how anyone in their right mind could defend this low life ass hole is
unbelievable
but here they are!!
Do not give a crap about a nine month old live baby
oh hell no
well rant on folks, because if you stand for this you have gone over the frigging ledge
what a poor excuse for humans
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Old 02-26-2012, 03:06 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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8 weeks is not your choice to make.
Once you get pregnant, then you choose.
Once a fetus becomes a viable life it is not the same as terminating a fetus that is not fully developed........ this is not like deciding to have your hair cut, a viable life is involved here.
So you are ok with a termination a few days before a baby is due to be delivered?
You're not qualified to call 8 weeks the time.
The medical field says 24.
Where'd you get your med license?
You're pro-choice so long as they meet your requirements.
Tough *****.
Every woman who has a termination has a very tough decission to make...... they do not make that decission without a lot of soul searching but there is a point at which a termination becomes extremely traumatic for the mother and baby and there must be guidlines to prevent her being psychologically scarred. You think the mother should be able to terminate at late term and i think you are wrong....... hormones are going wild and a time limit must be in place for the sake of the mother and baby. Maybe you also think a pregnant woman should have the freedom to take drugs or drink alcohol or smoke during pregnancy, after all that is her choice too.
Here is a pic of a 24 week fetus and in my opinion that is far to far down the road of pregnancy for a termination......... maybe you think it's ok but i disagree with you.
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Old 02-26-2012, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Originally Posted by rikoshaprl View Post
Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant.
8 (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any
9 rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various
10 administrative agencies of this State, the words "person",
11 "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant
12 member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any
13 stage of development.
14 (b) As used in this Section, the term "born alive", with
15 respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the
16 complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that
17 member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion
18 or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of
19 the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary
20 muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been
21 cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction
22 occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean
23 section, or induced abortion.
24 (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall
25 be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate
26 protection under the law.

Could not be any more clear. It did not need 2,000 + pages like some bills.
A State cannot have Laws that counter Federal Law. Roe v Wade held that abortion was allowed in 1st and 2nd trimesters. End of story! If you feel it to be the wrong decision, work to have it changed, but a State cannot force it to be changed. Could not be clearer.

Roe v. Wade Supreme Court Decision - 1973
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Old 02-26-2012, 03:19 PM
 
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A State cannot have Laws that counter Federal Law. Roe v Wade held that abortion was allowed in 1st and 2nd trimesters. End of story! If you feel it to be the wrong decision, work to have it changed, but a State cannot force it to be changed. Could not be clearer.

Roe v. Wade Supreme Court Decision - 1973

That's not the point.

The Point is that your Knight in Shining Armor - Barack Hussein Obama - is in favor of infanticide.

He's the crappiest President this country has ever, ever had.


Also, that Chielgirl sounds like a delightful woman.
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Old 02-26-2012, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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There's a "Search This Forum" feature for a reason:

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https://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...s-radical.html

https://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...ive-birth.html

https://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...s-produce.html

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Why do conservatives think that the issues that obviously didn't work for them in 2008 are somehow going to magically work in this election? Definition of insanity, anyone?
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Old 02-26-2012, 03:22 PM
 
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A bad bill is a bad bill. We can't vote for things just becasue they contain something we want if the rest of it is garbage. Don't blame the one who votes, blame the one who wrote it that way.

Oh, you mean a badly written bill like Obamacare?


The Illinois bill was short and written so plainly that a 7th grader could have understood it.
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Old 02-26-2012, 03:25 PM
 
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There's a "Search This Forum" feature for a reason:

https://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...-abortion.html

https://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...s-radical.html

https://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...ive-birth.html

https://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...s-produce.html

https://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...fire-flip.html

Why do conservatives think that the issues that obviously didn't work for them in 2008 are somehow going to magically work in this election? Definition of insanity, anyone?

What's this supposed to prove? Read the bill. Democrat opinions mean nothing.

Read the damn bill.

This isn't a tactic. It's just showing factually how evil Barack Obama is.


Try reading the bill.
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Old 02-26-2012, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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There's a "Search This Forum" feature for a reason:

https://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...-abortion.html

https://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...s-radical.html

https://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...ive-birth.html

https://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...s-produce.html

https://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...fire-flip.html

Why do conservatives think that the issues that obviously didn't work for them in 2008 are somehow going to magically work in this election? Definition of insanity, anyone?
Maybe they got some beta versions of this ...

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Old 02-26-2012, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Some on this thread definitely need a prescription of one kind of another. Poor things. Oh well, hopefully they can get it together for 2016.
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