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Old 02-17-2012, 07:22 AM
 
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Marijuana is a gateway substance. While many deny it's just 'recreational' and does not lead to other drug use, remember this:

Pushers DO believe it and practice their trade on the weakest.
The drug war has become a "gateway" to confiscating personal property/ wealth and imprisoning entire classes of people under the flimsiest of moral pretenses.

In case you haven't noticed, people have been doing drugs regardless of legality.
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Old 02-17-2012, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Out here it's $100 for possession < 1 ounce
In Alaska, there is no penalty for possession of < 1 ounce of marijuana. Up to 24 marijuana plants may also be grown without penalty.

Source: Alaska Penalties

The Alaska Supreme Court decriminalized "personal use" marijuana in Ravin v. State (1975) on the grounds that it violated the State Constitution privacy provisions.

In 1998 58% of the voters approved Ballot Measure #8, which made medical marijuana legal. However, that ballot initiative also required the State to maintain a registry and issue medical marijuana ID cards.

Decriminalization is far more preferable than legalization. Legalization increases the size of government. Decriminalization reduces the size of government. Alaska has a mixture of both.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Decriminalization is far more preferable than legalization. Legalization increases the size of government. Decriminalization reduces the size of government. Alaska has a mixture of both.

I'm not sure I understand your statement. If we eliminate all marijuana laws, it would be legal just like growing tomatoes and onions. How is that increasing government?

And my position is that weed should be just like tomatoes and onions. No taxes, no regulation, no government involvement.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I'm not sure I understand your statement. If we eliminate all marijuana laws, it would be legal just like growing tomatoes and onions. How is that increasing government?

And my position is that weed should be just like tomatoes and onions. No taxes, no regulation, no government involvement.
Decriminalization is the elimination of existing criminal laws. That includes the elimination of any State agency that was initially created to enforce those laws.

Legalization is the creation of new laws. Such as the Alaska Medical Marijuana initiative, that created a whole new State agency to certify applications, maintain a registry, and issue identification cards.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:39 AM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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Decriminalization is the elimination of existing criminal laws. That includes any State agency that was initially created to enforce those laws.
Decriminalization means it's still illegal to sell and possess in large quantities. The marijuana has to come from somewhere so there is still a black market.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Marijuana is a gateway substance. While many deny it's just 'recreational' and does not lead to other drug use, remember this:

Pushers DO believe it and practice their trade on the weakest.
If marijuana is a gateway substance, then milk is to alcohol.

Most marijuana users don't use other drugs usually. Try, dabble, make mistakes, maybe. But most of us just settle back down to a toke a week or so, and no one is the wiser. One in three people you know, uses marijuana.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I'm not sure I understand your statement. If we eliminate all marijuana laws, it would be legal just like growing tomatoes and onions. How is that increasing government?

And my position is that weed should be just like tomatoes and onions. No taxes, no regulation, no government involvement.
Legalization means commercial operations, taxes, restrictions, etc. Decriminalization is preferable because you could grow your own.

It's likely that, if legalized, you would be restricted from growing it like you were restricted from brewing beer, and still distillation of alcohol.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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I just love sting operations. Police, who couldn't find a stolen locomotive if their lives depended on it, spend countless millions every year entrapping people who might not have broken any laws and send them to jail while ruining countless lives.

The criminal justice industry lobbies hard to disarm law abiding citizens and even imprisons them for defending their lives and property. Then it lures them into traps so it can high five it's-self yet can't seem to do anything about actual crime.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:18 AM
 
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Decriminalization means it's still illegal to sell and possess in large quantities. The marijuana has to come from somewhere so there is still a black market.
How so?
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:19 AM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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Drug dealers are no different than you and I.

They are not scum.

Our Crony Capitalists are scum.
Don't include us in your definition. I do not deal drugs. I do not willingly and knowingly break the law engaging in activities that will cause harm to others by causing them to become in any way dependent on dangerous and illegal substances.

Dealers shoud do long prison sentences at the minimum. Turning them over to the families of those to whom they sold would be even better.

They may be no different from you. They are very different from me.

Yes, they are scum. Each and every one of them, and anyone engaging in such deserves to have their life ruined on the first offense.
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