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Not to point fingers, but black democrats virtually vilify any black who identifies as Republican. As soon as a black says that he votes Republican all types of "Sambos" and "Uncle Toms" come flying out of there mouthes. It's the patronizing tone of black democrats that annoys me the most. Herman Cain came out and the democrats sicced their black democratic dogs at him to do what white democrats themselves couldn't say.
And as for me...I don't try to talk anyone into anything really. I've realized that blacks and democrat go together like water is wet. It's a cultural thing and it's not going to change regardless of how many points are made. Too many blacks would feel like "racial traitors" by thinking bipartisan. Like the other poster that I addressed earlier--in his mind voting or even listening to Republicans meant that you joined the KKK and signed up with Stormfront in the same day. He just could not see the issues without race being entangled in them.
That being said, I just smh whenever I drive through the ghettos of America. I let the results speak for themsevles. Whenever me and my black friends/relatives drive in one of these neighborhoods...I jokingly ask them "when are you guys going to clean this up?" They laugh and shake their heads too. Oddly enough they still rally around democrats when eletion time comes around.
Everything you said supports my point. Why would you care about the reasons why blacks vote democrat. It is pointless. Telling us we live on a plantation isn't going to make conversation any better.
Everything you said supports my point. Why would you care about the reasons why blacks vote democrat. It is pointless. Telling us we live on a plantation isn't going to make conversation any better.
LOL I no longer do. Like I said I just let the ghettos remain as is. But my major issue is with the patronizing. It seems like black democrats are more worried about black republicans than vice versa. Heck, when Michael Steele became chairmen of the Republican party, then all types of "Sambo" and "black lackey" came from black democrats. When Obama became president you didn't here the same from black republicans. Trust me, this disdain appears to coming more from the Democrats.
Although I find this thread interesting the tone it took is sadly not surprising. I'm a middle class black male who has ask the question over and over why are not more black republicans. What I always get is alot of what has been displayed here. A frank discussion can never take place regarding this issue when folks minds are so made up. Blacks political power in this country would be well served if we had a 50/50 split between the parties. Sadly the distrust between the two is so great that I don't see this changing anytime soon. I can only hope that my son will have a real choice when he becomes old enough to vote. Until then I will hope for the best but expect the worse.
It took 315 posts but somebody FINALLY gets it!
Its not about "you must switch to the republican party".
Its about "don't shame someone into not even giving another political party a fair look".
Take a fair look at the Dems, GOP, Greens, Libertarian, Constitution, Reform and all of the other parties. Then pick one based on that fair look.
It is impossible for me to believe that only ONE party has what 95% of what one whole ethnic group of 35,000,000 wants in political leadership. That doesn't make any sense.
Simple as that.
When you limit what you see you might as well be blind.
Its not about "you must switch to the republican party".
Its about "don't shame someone into not even giving another political party a fair look".
Take a fair look at the Dems, GOP, Greens, Libertarian, Constitution, Reform and all of the other parties. Then pick one based on that fair look.
It is impossible for me to believe that only ONE party has what 95% of what one whole ethnic group of 35,000,000 wants in political leadership. That doesn't make any sense.
Simple as that.
When you limit what you see you might as well be blind.
Herman Cain said it best AND THEY JUMPED ALL OVER HIM FOR IT AND IT MODIFIES MY PREVIOUS POSTS. This thing si never going to change so long as we have a segregationists mentality in the black community especially. People fought and died for integration and black leaders on the left set about immediatly to segregate as if the real prize was segregation not integration. I do believe there are for sure many independent black citizens of this country that realize the simple truth, "you are not free unless you are self reliant" So it does not matter if you work for the government or the private sector or if you are white, black or hispanic. You are simply not free unless you are self reliant.
Turn it twist it register as a demorat or a repug "you are not free unless you are self reliant.
Herman Cain said it best AND THEY JUMPED ALL OVER HIM FOR IT AND IT MODIFIES MY PREVIOUS POSTS. This thing si never going to change so long as we have a segregationists mentality in the black community especially. People fought and died for integration and black leaders on the left set about immediatly to segregate as if the real prize was segregation not integration. I do believe there are for sure many independent black citizens of this country that realize the simple truth, "you are not free unless you are self reliant" So it does not matter if you work for the government or the private sector or if you are white, black or hispanic. You are simply not free unless you are self reliant.
Turn it twist it register as a demorat or a repug "you are not free unless you are self reliant.
The problem with Herman Cain isn't that he's a republican. Granted, there are some black people who would call him a Tom and whatnot, just as there are some black people who have done the same to President Obama.
The problem with Cain, again, is that he began his campaign by effectively calling every other black person a Tom, by saying they were "brainwashed" and "on the democrat plantation", and that he was a "real black man" and a "strong black man". And then we found out that he was unable to answer basic policy questions, and that he was cheating on his wife and trying to grope random women.
The problem with Herman Cain isn't that he's a republican. Granted, there are some black people who would call him a Tom and whatnot, just as there are some black people who have done the same to President Obama.
The problem with Cain, again, is that he began his campaign by effectively calling every other black person a Tom, by saying they were "brainwashed" and "on the democrat plantation", and that he was a "real black man" and a "strong black man". And then we found out that he was unable to answer basic policy questions, and that he was cheating on his wife and trying to grope random women.
The answering the questions part I understand, particularly since he was a radio talk show host and most questions he may have encountered he should have crossed those bridges so I am a bit confounded as to why he came up short. On the womanizer thing I have to cut him some slack as it remains a he said she said and I really do believe there are those on both sides that did not like the idea of Cain being the nominee.
Is it not a fair conclusion that when 90% vote for a half black man that there is about 30% tunnel vision in the most liberal mathmatical analysis. Again, I have heard black conservatives of the most opposite politcal and social ideoligies say they voted for him. So we got our black President and what we got instead of hope and change was dope and strange.
This country is not a marxist country. This is a marxist President and I believe his actions indicate not only that he is not up to the job but that he has a basic loathing for traditional America. With the exception of slavery, the evolution of this country at least until recently, is the greatest hope for individual freedom for our future, We do not need socialism or marxism or narcissism, or any other isms. We just need free markets to function without constraint and we need to develop to optimum capacity the greatest social program ever devised...JOBS. The fact is we may need some blacks and others to recognize and sign onto that social program in order to install that social program.
I will always believe that we are in trouble as a nation as long as we continue to see ourselves as a white or a black America. We are one America of one accord dedicated to the well being of one another with no games of one upmanship. United we stand divided we fall.
My issues with Obama have nothing to do with race. As I have stated I don't like his white side either. I am sure he is a very nice man with a very nice family. We simply do not need his philosophy of government to prevail.
What we say in public discussion might for many African Americans represent the politics of race but when we get behind the curtain we will vote the economics of not race but our own self interest. It is on that note that Democrats will be the most challenged as the rush to legislate the redistribution of wealth from those who did and have to those who didn't and haven't is color blind and any one with wealth is at risk.
And republicans wonder why they get called racist. I'm supposed to side with a party who feels that most blacks are stuck on a plantation. So, if you don't care or respects blacks, why are you trying to convince them to come to the republican party.
I'm not a Republican but I certainly don't wonder why I get called a racist... I'm well aware of why ignorant people attempt to label me as a racist and I couldn't possibly care less. Once again, if you prove to me that you deserve respect I have no problem giving it but when you say that black people should vote for Obama because he's black I certainly owe you no respect.
Conservatives believe that we are simply the chattel they wish to acquire so that they can lead us by the nose, for our own good.
Replace conservatives with liberal and you have learned something. You voted 90% for Obama and you all cheered for innocense knowing full well that OJ slahed a white womans throat. When you did that as a people, I will refer to you as a people because the various expressions of "my own" tell clearly you don't identify with whites. Ther e may be a lil racist in all of us just stop pointing the finger and saying its all whitey.
We aren't ignorant enough to call a Black Man or Woman in this country "half Black" because we know that most African Americans in this country have some other race of blood mingled with our own. black man half black,
( I can tell that hurts your image") but your sure as hell ignorant enough to votefor him 90%.
By contrast Cain was my man and after reading his book he was the best choice, being black and yet is willing to move forward in a positive way. Looking at all available choices I believe the best man in spite of some identifyable weaknesses. A true black man who truly understands the difficulty of being black and is willing to move forward in a positive way. Did Obama buy you a refrigerator.
Youmay not be ignorant enough to call a black man half white but you were ignorant enough to vote 90% for him. Is that racist or is that coincidence. If it helps you understand my position I don't like his white half either. He is very destructive to this country as was Carter an ugly white man with the same delusions and the same narcissistic traits.
You make some intersting points. I don't necessarily agree with them, but they're worth talking about.
If you think back to the 2008 Presidential campaign, the choices were Obama-Biden or McCain-Palin. We both know that it's true that there is a significant part of the black America that voted for Obama because he is black. However, you must also acknowledge that there is also a significant part of black and white America that voted for Obama because the alternative was McCain-Palin, and having that team in the White House was just too damn scary for a whole lot of people, black and white. Think back on the shape that the economy was in at that time. Things were going downhill and people were desperate and afraid of what might happen next. You may also recall that Obama gave a number of great, inspirational speeches that set him apart from what we have witnessed in the last few Presidential elections.
Electing a new President is a lot like hiring a new employee. They may look good on paper and may interview very well, but you don't really know how well or poorly they will do until you actually hire them and put them on the job.
O.J. Simpson...you may or may not be surprised to hear that but when you are on trial, it's not about whether or not you committed the crime. It's about whether or not the prosecution can convince 12 people that you did it, and whether the defense can raise reasonable doubt with one of the 12. The defense failed to put up a rock solid case. I have heard that from people of all races about the trial, not just black people. I was not convinced that he did the killings. I do, believe, however, that he was at the scene of the murders. Just my thought.
Anyway, yes, there were a lot of black people who voted for Obama simply because he was black. If he had campaigned putting out some really far-out ideas about how the thought the country should be run, I believe that a whole lot fewer black people would have supported him.
Finally, there is a point that you and, I daresay, nearly all white people may never understand.
What it has meant to be black in America.
If you take a look back at the history of the treatment of black people in this country, there's been a lot of things done wrong. I'm not sure how to convey this, so I must resort to the best example I can come up with...my personal view point and experience. I think a lot of black people will undestand what I mean. I hope that white people will, too.
My great-great grandparents were Texas slaves. My great-grandfather was a Texas sharecropper who eventually owned his own farm before he died. My grandfather was a janitor and always worked at least two jobs until he retired, going back to the years before I was born. My father retired as a high school principal. I am an IT Manager for a financial institution, and I make pretty good money. The common thread is that we all experienced racism from whites in various forms, to varying degrees. By the time I came along, a lot had changed compared to my great-great grandparents' time. By the same token, a lot had not changed in terms of how some whites treated blacks.
Here's my point: My story is not unique. Other black people can tell a similar, even more amazing and successful story. In spite of this generational progression, we (black people), as the rule rather than the exception, have been treated as second-class citizens by white society (yes I'm generalizing, but in America, white people have always run the political, economic, educational, and social institutions). So now, along comes Barack Obama, a black man, running for president. Here's where I may lose some of you, but hang in there. When you consider the history of the treatment, institutional and individual racism endured by black people, can you imagine what it feels like to actually see a black man with a legitimate shot at being the President of the United States?! And he won the election!
To my fellow white posters in this thread, I only wish you could know what that's like. Maybe you have some parallel experience you can relate to, I don't know. I believe my fellow black posters understand what I am talking about. For most black people, this was an unbelievable event. It's easy for me to see why people can say it's racist, or foolish to vote for a black person just because he's black. Maybe you can understand this, or maybe you can't, but this was not just a case of race-based voting. This was decades and generations of pain, suffering, hope, hopelessness, sacrifice, fear, anger, denial of opportunity, mistreatment, and a lot of other things coming to the surface. We finally had a release mechanism. We would finally get a shot at the political Grand Prize. A shot that we had been systematically excluded from since the birth of this country. That hope manifested itself in the form of a vote for a black man who would become President.
Given that perspective, you may have a better understanding of why so many black people voted for Barack Obama. I'm not a particularly sentimental or emotional person, but I cried during his Inauguration. I never thought I would see a black man in the White House in my lifetime. Unbelievable doesn't begin to describe it. The 2008 election wasn't just another Presidential election. For black people, it was the realization of what was thought to be utterly impossible.
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