Why do unions get bonuses? (wage, Reagan, polls, weapon)
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You're bringing up a song written 100 years ago as some kind of proof that you have a clue what you're talking about? What a laugh. Makes about as much sense as the links to known anti-union sites disguised as "facts" that you posted earlier.
thank u for defending unions. bek of unions i made it to retirement. many people are cut down 6 months b4 they retire bek the boss suddenly "discovers" they are incompetent after 30 years. these are people with entire drawers full of employment awards and great performance reviews.
they fire that guy, give him his vested money back, and save a bundle.
I have enjoyed reading this thread and seen some foolish things said on both sides.
I intended to tell my father's story to the people here. He was a member of the Teamsters union although he had always hated unions. He was given a job created for his loyal service to his company for nearly 30 years of loyal service. However, the job was on a loading dock where all the workers had to be union men. He worked for just over 2 years at that job and when he retired he was paid a bonus every Christmas season. Sometimes the amounts were ridiculous and others not so large, He always said that the checks were the property of his grand children and bought their Christmas presents with them. He collected those bonuses for nearly 35 years because he lived so long. The lowest check was for $250. He came to believe that Jimmy Hoffa wasn't such a bad fellow, afterall.
Unions started in the United States to keep blacks and Asians out of the workforce.
They have been tied to the Mafia since the beginning.
40 hour work week was started in non-union shops. (Endicott-Johnson and Ford in the 1890s and early 1900s)
Health insurance for employees was started in non-union shops. Endicott-Johnson and defense contractors. 1890s and WW2)
Wages were rising in non-union manufacturing shops at much higher rates from 1860-1914 than after the unions started gaining power in the 30s. (50% from 1860-1890 and another 34% 1890-1914, adjusted for inflation).
Child labor in manufacturing was virtually eradicated by capitalists by 1920. But unions claim credit for getting rid of it by getting laws passed in 1937.
Unions are nothing more than racist mafia types that will lie, scam and cheat about anything to get money and power.
That's why they get bonuses.
From a historical perspective, you seem to have very little knowledge of labor unions. Early labor unions in The United States were significantly different from modern trade unions. To begin with, they had a vastly different hierarchical structure. There were no professional union employees: union leaders arose from, and were democratically elected by, the rank-and-file membership. The union president worked in the mines or on the assembly line next to the other union members. There was no pay, beyond a basic reimbursement for expenses.
In regards to organizing workers, there were two distinct schools of thought within the early labor movement. The first concentrated on trade unionism. The American Federation of Labor (AFL) was the prime example. Trade unionism involved organizing on the basis of job classification: you were a butcher, or a baker, or a pipe-fitter. If you look at the modern airline industry as an example, it's easy to see the flaw in trade unionism. There is one union representing pilots, another represents flight attendants, another for the machinists, and yet another for mechanics. These subsets of workers all have competing interests. There is little reason for them to stand in solidarity with one another.
The second type of unionism was much more militant. This was industrial unionism, as exemplified by The Industrial Workers of the World (IWW), and to a lesser extent, the Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO). Industrial unionism differed from trade unionism in that industrial unions organized workers by industry, as opposed to trade. If you consider the above example involving airlines; under industrial organization, all of those workers, regardless of job task, would be organized into the same union. This would give them considerably more bargaining power.
Unlike The AFL, The IWW and CIO were "open" unions, which welcomed racial minorities and women into their ranks.
Between 1930 and 1934, there were over 800 sit down strikes in The United States. Sit down strikes involve the workers taking physical possession of the workplace. There were also several general strikes (strikes which involve workers from numerous different industries, acting in consort), including historic strikes in Minneapolis, San Francisco, and Toledo. The level of militancy represented in these actions was enough to frighten even the most "progressive" capitalist. The solution came in the form of The Wagner Act of 1935. The Wagner Act essentially gave unions the right to organize; but it also sapped the militancy out of organized labor, making workers much easier to control, and creating a role for professional union staffers. The Taft-Hartley Act of 1947 and The Landrum-Griffin Act of 1959 further weakened the position of organized labor. As a result of these governmental restraints, unions have become little more than puppets of the political and economic systems they once opposed. To the extent that corruption exists within modern trade unions...it is a corruption that exists precisely because of the incestuous relationship the leaders of those unions enjoy with their corporate and political allies.
As bad as many modern unions are, they still provide organized workers with a higher level of compensation than that received by their non-union counterparts. The history of unionism is a noble one, which has significantly alleviated poverty and the exploitation of the working class; and, in fact, created the middle class. There are many labor activists who are trying to return the power of organized labor to the workers themselves.
You're bringing up a song written 100 years ago as some kind of proof that you have a clue what you're talking about? What a laugh. Makes about as much sense as the links you posted earlier to known anti-union sites and pretending it shows unbiased "facts."
A song that is still printed in union literature.
It's funny. The pro-union crowd always brings abuses of companies from a 100 years ago as some kind of proof that they have a clue as t what they are talking about. What a laugh. Makes about as much sense as links posted from the unions themselves and pretending it shows unbiased "facts".
"Let us look at a few examples. (of union racism) The City of Detroit has embarked on a major construction expansion including a new football stadium and a new major league baseball park -- across the street from each other. Even though the City of Detroit has a population that is 77 percent Black, these two projects which have been declared 'union only' will, at best, average no more than 15 percent African American participation in the workforce. This is a disaster!"
If a non-union employer in Detroit only employed 15% black people he'd be villified and run out of business by Democrats.
But unions give big money to leftie politicians. So it doesn't matter. Screw the blacks. They'll vote for us anyway. That's the mentality of the left.
So what you're saying is that blacks should vote for the Republican Party? Is that really what you're saying?
Everything I said was true. And can easily be verified by doing Google searches.
Matter of fact, government data backs up most everything I said.
It's the unions that have rewritten history. Look what union bosses said about blacks when they were getting started. Look at the number of blacks employed in union shops as opposed to non-union shops. Look at those numbers today. it aint that good.
It's pretty obvious the unions are the racists while the capitalists are not.
ROFLMFAO
No doubt all documented in Wikipedia in an article written by capitalists?
And the capitalists of the 1700's who gave blacks their freedom, 40 acres and a mule right?
And the unions were responsible for slavery and owned the plantations?
As bad as many modern unions are, they still provide organized workers with a higher level of compensation than that received by their non-union counterparts. The history of unionism is a noble one, which has significantly alleviated poverty and the exploitation of the working class; and, in fact, created the middle class. There are many labor activists who are trying to return the power of organized labor to the workers themselves.
Unions provide higher wages for employees in union shops. This means less workers in union shops. (If I gotta pay people more than they are worth I will higher less people in order to recoup my money). What this does is create a surplus of workers for non-union shops. That allows non-union shops to pay less than what would be demanded had there been no union in the first place. In other words: unions lower wages and increase unemployment.
Unions created the middle class? What a joke. Without capitalism there is no middle class. The Induustrial Revolution created the middle class. Things like the assembly line, the refinement of oil, the division of labor. Those are the things that created the middle class. According to government statistics manufacturing wages in the U.S. rose 50% from 1860-1890 and another 34% from 1891-1914. (Adjusted for inflation). Less than 3% of the workforce was unionzed and there were very few workplace laws in effect. Ironically, as wages in thses non-union shops rose child labor rates went down. Funny how that works. As capitalism created the middle class parents no longer needed their children to work to put food on the table. God bless capitalism.
And Europe was heavily unionized at the time. And they had a plethora of workplace laws on the books compared to the United States. Yet, millions and millions of unionized workers left Europe for the non-union United States. If unions built the middle class that would not have happened. No one leaves a middle class country for a poor one. No one. So immigration statistics say I am right.
And no one can answer why unions treat "scabs" like they do and claim they are fo working people? lols. "Scabs" are working people. Unions should be encouraging them. If they were really about what they say they are. Again, more proof that unions are nothing more than criminals.
Why did millions leave unionized Europe for non-Union United States??? And why do unions treat the working man "scab" so horribly???
No one can answer those questions honestly and say that unions are beneficial to anyone besides union bosses and politicians.
So what you're saying is that blacks should vote for the Republican Party? Is that really what you're saying?
Blacks, like anyone else, should vote for whomever they want.
Personally, I don't vote for Republicans. Or Democrats.
And what I was saying in that post is that the City of Detroit is 77% black. A union job that was worth hundreds of millions of dollars hired less than 15% black workers. In other words: unions are racist.
No doubt all documented in Wikipedia in an article written by capitalists?
And the capitalists of the 1700's who gave blacks their freedom, 40 acres and a mule right?
And the unions were responsible for slavery and owned the plantations?
And where did you get your information?
From the AFL-CIO website?
Who said anything about slavery? Slavery was no longer around in the United States when unions got their start. They had nothing to do with slavery one way or another. What history books are you reading?
Why did millions leave unionized Europe for non-Union United States???
And why do unions treat the working man "scab" so horribly???
Can someone answer me those two questions instead of deflecting with this nonsense about slavery and voting Republican. Neither of which have to do with unions.
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