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Old 08-10-2011, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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Maybe it's because I was young and naive but I feel like my family was better off under Bush (for the most part till the tail-end of his presidency) than it has been under Obama.

e: not a fan of either president though
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Old 08-10-2011, 09:57 AM
 
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Weapons of mass destruction not found, and you think that's Bush's fault?

Congress voted to allow military action, based on the same intelligence reports that Bush relied on to take action. If CONGRESS has not approved it, Bush could not legally take our troops into IRAQ. (Libya anyone?).
You gotta be kidding me right? Bush, and his executive team of Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld Paul Wolfowitz and others basically push the intelligence community to conjure up "intelligence" to support their neo-con policies.

None other than General Hugh Shelton, the former Chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff, has called out the Bush 43 administration for their lies, misleading intelligence, and poor leadership with regard to the Iraq War.

Ex-top soldier: Iraq war ‘fiasco’ due to Rumsfeld’s ‘lies’

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Rumsfeld had 'worst style of leadership I witnessed in 38 years of service'

The US had no reason to invade Iraq in 2003, and only did so because of "a series of lies" told to the American people by the Bush administration, says Gen. Hugh Shelton, who served for four years as the US's top military officer.

Shelton, who was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1997 to 2001, makes the comment in Without Hesitation: The Odyssey of an American Warrior, a soon-to-be-published memoir reviewed at Foreign Policy by Thomas E. Ricks.

"President Bush and his team got us enmeshed in Iraq based on extraordinarily poor intelligence and a series of lies purporting that we had to protect Americans from Saddam's evil empire because it posed such a threat to our national security," Shelton writes in his memoir.

According to Ricks, Shelton states that, in order to get the war going, then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "elbowed aside Gen. Richard Myers and the other members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and also intimidated and flattered Gen. Tommy R. Franks while working directly with him, and so basically went to war without getting the advice of his top military advisors."


The result, Shelton writes, was a war plan that amounted to a "fiasco."

Shelton reportedly saves his harshest criticisms for Rumsfeld himself, who he said had "the worst style of leadership I witnessed in 38 years of service."
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:05 AM
 
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The conservatives blamed Clinton all the way through Bush's 8 years. The damage Bush did was massive:

The cost of Bush's policies: $5.07 Trillion
The cost of Obama's policies: $1.44 Trillion

If there was blame to be thrown around, it looks like Bush wins 3.5 to 1.
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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1. How would you have tackled a tackled a national financial banking desaster created before he took office?

2. Bush inherited a surplus, recession not declaired until much later after years of decline. 911, hmmm well Obamas Seal team killed Osama (or Usama for you fox watching cons) after a little over two years. Iraq DID NOT have weapons of mass destruction. Billions every month for a war that achieved nothing for our country (before you attack me, I know we did good things for IRAQ, but it drained OUR country of financial resources) Ill concede that the stock market crashed, and has never bounced back completely. Although during Obamas 2.5 years, it has been a bull market except for a few glitches here and there.

3. Obama had NOTHING to do with the sub-prime mortgage crisis, what was obama doing during 2004 and 2005 when america just went nuts...was he even in congress...Don't know, but will check...I do know he became a senator in 2006. Clinton, Bush get the credit, as presidents for sub prime crises. If you want to blame what ever congress was in charge, then what ever since both Dems and Republicans have both been in charge during the financial disasters.

As far as your last point...this is a wait and see, the problem 2.5 years ago appears much worse than we all were told, so repost your claim in 2016 when he leaves office.

Please someone show me REAL numbers...and not from Fox News.
How is this for REAL NUMBERS!



Do the math! About 66% of the current budget deficit was created under the REPUBLICAN presidential adminsistrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W Bush and George W. Bush Jr.

The presidential administration of George H.W Bush added more to the federal deficit in four years than Bill Clinton did in eight. George W. Bush Jr. alone is responsible for about 42% of the current federal budget deficit.
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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The conservatives blamed Clinton all the way through Bush's 8 years. The damage Bush did was massive:

The cost of Bush's policies: $5.07 Trillion
The cost of Obama's policies: $1.44 Trillion

If there was blame to be thrown around, it looks like Bush wins 3.5 to 1.
Bush's presidency: 8 years
Obama's presidency: not even at the 3 year mark yet
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Bush's presidency: 8 years
Obama's presidency: not even at the 3 year mark yet
And you must be one of those who thinks it takes less to rebuild than to destroy. What greatness in economic policies were you observing thru those eight years?
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:45 AM
 
Location: GIlbert, AZ
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How is this for REAL NUMBERS!



Do the math! About 66% of the current budget deficit was created under the REPUBLICAN presidential adminsistrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W Bush and George W. Bush Jr.

The presidential administration of George H.W Bush added more to the federal deficit in four years than Bill Clinton did in eight. George W. Bush Jr. alone is responsible for about 42% of the current federal budget deficit.
You are the one I mentioned earlier that had Real numbers. Thanks.
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:05 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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when the obamanator stepped into the kichen the stew was on the burner,and it taste like crap!!!! and everything he has added to it makes it taste worse,, fail, fail, fail blame, blame, blame..

it must be the pork,, it has a overpowering taste
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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You gotta be kidding me right? Bush, and his executive team of Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld Paul Wolfowitz and others basically push the intelligence community to conjure up "intelligence" to support their neo-con policies.

Your memory is short, so here are some reminders (there are many more);

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." -- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." -- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

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Old 08-10-2011, 12:15 PM
 
Location: GIlbert, AZ
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Yeah Obama SUCKS.

Sincerley,
the Ghost of Osama Bin Laden
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