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They took Jimmy Carter's 'Malign and Despair' speech that is generally regarded by everyone as a significant point in his loss of the presidency
That's not true. That is RW revisionism. Check my post above, or better yet, the historic record, for a more accurate account.
Naw, I saw the live broadcast of the speech on television. Jimmy Carter pretty much pointed out that the nation was in the doldrums and blamed it upon the citizenry for not doing better, for not being more upbeat, for not sacrificing more. Carter totally failed to lead the nation at that point. It was actually his major shortcoming and it was first exposed nationally with that speech. He needed to not just point out the problem but to also rally the people and point the way forward - he only pointed a finger.
It's a big reason why Reagan won the election - he was at the time perceived to be much more effective at rallying the people and pointing the way forward. Of course, whether Reagans' way forward was the correct way is still being debated today.
And for the record, I'm apparently one of those progressive/liberal/socialist/fascists that the more passionate conservatives on this forum rant against.
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The country is better off now than it was in the fall of 2008.
Every.single.economic.indicator is WORSE now under 2 1/2 years of obamanomics than in 2008.
But you go right ahead and repeat the mistake you made in 2008. We can only that the others who voted for this disaster have seen the light....and the facts and statistics that will tell them what a mistake they made.
They are constantly cleaning up the messes left behind by their conservative predecessors:
- Lincoln in 1860 (crisis over slavery)
The Civil War was about economics and sovereignty, not slavery.
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- Teddy in 1900 (our first progressive president, stopped the Robber Barons, put in safety regulations for food and drugs, created Nat Pk system)
And then enslaved the Filipinos.
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- FDR in 1932 (saved us from Great Depression with Socialism-lite initiatives, support for Labor)
He caused the Great Depression to last longer, and had it not been for WW II, it would have lasted into the late 1940s.
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- Clinton 1992 (Turned Reagan/Bush I debt into surplus)
No, he didn't. All he did was shuffle numbers on a spread sheet
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- Obama in 2008 (Don't even get me started on the pile of Texas cow dung Obama got handed)
And he worsened things through his bad policies, expanded government and deficit spending.
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Carter was a tool in a lot of ways (very poor leadership skills), but he was right with that speech. He was trying to warn us that our wasteful spending...
By a House and Senate that had been controlled by Democrats since 1932.
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It was 16% inflation, oil embargos, and the Iran hostage crisis, and his own indecisiveness.
The 16% Real Inflation was caused by Democrats.
The oil embargo was over long before Carter even announced his candidacy to run in 1976.
The Hostage Crisis was his own doing. Had Carter followed the advice of Ambassador Smith and Army Chief of Staff Al Haig, Iran would be an ally today instead of an enemy.
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America was at a crossroads in 1979. We could have tightened our belts, cut back on waste, and come up with a sensible energy policy.
But you didn't because a Democrat President, and a Democrat Senate and a Democrat House turned it into a nightmare.
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On of the first things Saint Ronnie did was to symbolically remove the solar energy panels from the WH.
Which was excellent, since Democrats had misled Americans to believe that oil was used to produce electricity. It wasn't, and still isn't used to produce electricity in the US, so solar panels do nothing to affect oil use, in fact, solar panels use more oil.
Every.single.economic.indicator is WORSE now under 2 1/2 years of obamanomics than in 2008.
But you go right ahead and repeat the mistake you made in 2008. We can only that the others who voted for this disaster have seen the light....and the facts and statistics that will tell them what a mistake they made.
Go back and re-read what I wrote: unemployment was *technically* better then because the economy had not had time to sustain the shock of the financial system's collapse. But the jobs losses were accelerating at the end of 2008 and into the first month of 2009. The economy contracted sharply to the point of record deflation not seen since 1932 (a depression year that happened to be the last year of a republican's administration...what a coincidence).
But you know all that. You don't want to analyze facts in total, just the ones you like that support your argument. I guess have these types of 'debates' for sport.
He caused the Great Depression to last longer, and had it not been for WW II, it would have lasted into the late 1940s.
Absolutely false. There is strong data to show that the economy was improved dramatically by 1937, a year in which he decided to slash government spending, which then resulted in the Roosevelt recession. As soon as he began spending again, the unemployment dropped and things gradually improved until WWII.
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And he worsened things through his bad policies, expanded government and deficit spending.
Yeah, and so what? By WWII's end the deficit was well beyond our national GDP - worse than the deficits we're running now. We probably wouldn't be running these deficits, of course, if the GOP would just accept a higher tax rate for people like Steve Forbes. Repubs don't care about the deficit at all.
Go back and re-read what I wrote: unemployment was *technically* better then because the economy had not had time to sustain the shock of the financial system's collapse. But the jobs losses were accelerating at the end of 2008 and into the first month of 2009. The economy contracted sharply to the point of record deflation not seen since 1932 (a depression year that happened to be the last year of a republican's administration...what a coincidence).
But you know all that. You don't want to analyze facts in total, just the ones you like that support your argument. I guess have these types of 'debates' for sport.
I did. You said the country is better off NOW than in 2008.
Hogwash.
The "facts in total" and "statistics in total" blow your premise out of the water.
The debt, deficit, gas, housing, UE, spending, taxes - all worse off now than in 2008.
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Absolutely false. There is strong data to show that the economy was improved dramatically by 1937, a year in which he decided to slash government spending, which then resulted in the Roosevelt recession. As soon as he began spending again, the unemployment dropped and things gradually improved until WWII.
Absolutely false and revisionist history. The evidence is clear - massive government spending prolonged the GD..
Well, it is possible that Obama will be a one term president too, but I kind of doubt we will be able to crank up the old toss the regulations, cut taxes, and deregulate Reagan/Bushes machine this time. Been there, done that, and that's the problem. I am still waiting for that trickle down from the 1980s tax cuts.
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