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And what does that have to do with the multibillionaires who control our country and have bought our government and subverted democracy? I'm not anti-business, nor am I anti free market. Nor any of the other things you want to label someone like me as. But that still doesn't excuse the fact that 1% of the population controls 90% of the wealth in this country.
Im sure all the employees under your boss made a living wage in which they could afford a roof over their head, transportation, food, clothing, maybe good health coverage, retirement, maybe some paid time off/vacation days, right? Or was it the typical business that makes their money off the back of naive teenagers willing to work for gas money like a serf or some Mexican with 5 kids and a 6th grade education. If it wasn't for that type of worker there wouldn't be success stories like yours. Get a clue! You fail to even understand how business and economics works.
No, I understand quite well how businesses and economics work. You keep making generalizations about how business owners make their money "off the backs of the poor and middle class" and that they should get what the "evil rich" business owner gets...that's total BS.
Stop thinking that the economy is a finite thing, it's not. Capitalism isn't a single pie that gets divided, capitalism makes MORE PIE.
Wow, interesting to see how a liberal really thinks.
I worked for a small business a few years ago, a pretty typical American success story. 20 years ago the owner of this business put up his house and borrowed money from friends and family to start this business. His idea/s and business acumen were impeccable and his business thrived. In ten years, he went from 1 store to over 150...that's about the time I hired on.
So, with your logic, I should have been making/getting what this guy gets? I didn't risk anything, but I should reap the rewards of his efforts? How the hell does that work? I was grateful to have a good paying job with benefits (he provided over 100 of those), but I never expected to make what he did!
With this screwed up logic, who would ever take the risk of starting a business?!
actually, he's just a human being. he doesn't represent liberals or liberalism. if you want to know about liberalism, read a dictionary and perhaps if you want to go further (though that would be very hard to positively connect) read some history books.
I am a liberal libertarian and I can tell you workers are pretty cheap and replaceable, I have little sympathy for people who are not intelligent enough to use others correctly and instead join into an existing system where it's pretty much a lazy(or unimaginative) man's win-win opportunity.
starting a business might be risky while getting a job isn't as risky, so I would understand why, in our Gamble your life away society, the business organizer should reap more benefits than a worker who could be replaced by a good set of batteries. Ofcourse, for a poor person, it must be hard to imagine getting a car from a paper clip, but it has been done before.
but when you think about the magic of turning clip's into cars, it is understandable that someone along the way had to lose.
I suppose though, that since I want to make sure the unlucky gamblers and losers are fed and don't die a slow painful miserable death because a silly mistake or mental weakness in not being able to be marketable or business-like, I support socialist programs that make life easier for everyone in the long run.
No, I understand quite well how businesses and economics work. You keep making generalizations about how business owners make their money "off the backs of the poor and middle class" and that they should get what the "evil rich" business owner gets...that's total BS.
Stop thinking that the economy is a finite thing, it's not. Capitalism isn't a single pie that gets divided, capitalism makes MORE PIE.
What complete and utter bull**** that line of thinking is. And this is why capitalism will end in failure. Planet earth does not exist with an unlimited amount of resources. Technically if the economy operated at full capacity we'd eventually burn through, use up, or otherwise consume the resources of the earth faster than they could be replenished. Are we there yet? Obviously not. Could it be 100 or 1000 years before this happens who cares? Whatever goods and products are produced via capitalism there is a finite supply because there are finite resources on this big rock we all live on. Although the man made "Economy" and capitalism is not "finite" the resources it's based on is most definitely. Right now humanity is experiencing the benefits of seemingly endless amounts of cheap oil, timber, chemicals from the earth etc. But look around you. Look at the world in which you live. The world is becoming polluted. Wars will be fought over fresh water. The rainforests are being destroyed. Some of this is climate change some of it is manmade. Bottomline is resources no matter how technically advanced we are and how efficient we are at using said resources they are most definitely finite. And as the population grows exponentially this becomes more apparent.
How long does it take for a tree to grow? For topsoil to be replenished? Aquifers to be refilled?
No, I understand quite well how businesses and economics work. You keep making generalizations about how business owners make their money "off the backs of the poor and middle class" and that they should get what the "evil rich" business owner gets...that's total BS.
Stop thinking that the economy is a finite thing, it's not. Capitalism isn't a single pie that gets divided, capitalism makes MORE PIE.
Really, I'm afraid energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It is infact the SUN which gives us the energy to organize more pie, energy which is lost into empty space as heat. (Though I suppose it wouldn't be too hard to hoard the Sun's energy for all it's worth.) Stop thinking that Capitalism is some magic potion, it isn't. Capitalism barely even has a meaning. In reality, any economy is about the smart getting rich off the stupid. That is simply the reality of how economies work. business transactions might seem like win-win situations on the outside, but if they truely were nothing would move, that is why there is always up and downs in economies: without somebody losing, nobody wins. The oligarchs might not be evil, but they can sure be as inconsiderate as the poor.
Really, I'm afraid energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It is infact the SUN which gives us the energy to organize more pie, energy which is lost into empty space as heat. (Though I suppose it wouldn't be too hard to hoard the Sun's energy for all it's worth.) Stop thinking that Capitalism is some magic potion, it isn't. Capitalism barely even has a meaning. In reality, any economy is about the smart getting rich off the stupid. That is simply the reality of how economies work. business transactions might seem like win-win situations on the outside, but if they truely were nothing would move, that is why there is always up and downs in economies: without somebody losing, nobody wins. The oligarchs might not be evil, but they can sure be as inconsiderate as the poor.
Riiiiight. So I should hire stupid people? My business wouldn't last very long now, would it?
Riiiiight. So I should hire stupid people? My business wouldn't last very long now, would it?
yeah that's exactly what I meant.
I made a mistake it posting something so simplified. What I actually meant to say is that "without somebody losing, nobody wins". hireing inadequate workers is stupid on the side of the employer, unless he can get stupider people to buy the product. highering stupid employees(more work less pay) might not be a bad idea, depending on what their abilities are and what they are needed for. Are my thoughts becoming any clearer?
yeah that's exactly what I meant.
I made a mistake it posting something so simplified. What I actually meant to say is that "without somebody losing, nobody wins". hireing inadequate workers is stupid on the side of the employer, unless he can get stupider people to buy the product. highering stupid employees(more work less pay) might not be a bad idea, depending on what their abilities are and what they are needed for. Are my thoughts becoming any clearer?
It's called "Unskilled labor" for a reason. You can pay people dirt and get far more value out of them than what you're paying. One of the few places employees are paid proportionally to their employers are in 1. small businesses and 2. sports and entertainment. The people doing all the physical work in both of these (the employees) are paid relatively well compared to the owners of the small businesses, studios, managers, etc. Your problem starts arising when companies get too big for their britches. The rarity is in places where the exectives make so much money, and turn it around in charities as the OP cited in articles. People like Buffet and Gates give away *vast* sums of money in charity. The majority of the top 20% in this country don't.
How much worse off do you expect the poor to be - dying on the streets? They already basically have nothing since rich corporate and political America made sure to send whatever well-paying jobs these people used to have overseas. In case you haven't noticed, most peoples' real living standard has been stagnant since the 1970s while the rich peoples' living standard has skyrocketed.
Maybe everyone in America should be a business owner? You're ignorant and just paying lip service to the rich. You are clueless about basic economics, clueless as to how rich the elite rich really are, clueless as to how many rich have made their money, clueless as to everything. How's it feel to be so clueless and running around praising a group of people that not only doesn't represent what you think they do.......really doesn't give two flying f'ks about you.
How the hell do you think anyone would make any money without people WORKING for a business? Owning a business isn't the only way to be a capitalist. You can be a worker and still be a capitalist. That's what most idiot Americans fail to understand miserably. Capital should be shared by everyone especially in the form of natural resources. The banks are killing the economy. Compared to the amount of wealth they suck off of the economy to what they actually give back and spend/invest back into it...........is huge. How the hell do you think they became rich in the first place? By being generous and investing in other people so other people can be capitalists? LOL......the entire point of capitalism is to concentrate wealth into the hands of a few. I mean it's a completely unsustainable economic model. And it's why America and much of the west is in the position that it is in. Also Americans need to understand you don't have to have capitalism to have a free market. They are not tied together. You can have lots of forms of economic systems that create a free market, competition, small businesses, etc. It's all about who controls the wealth and how much of it. In capitalism in America a very small minority controls vast amounts of wealth, resources, etc. Part of a free market is competition. THe rich have bought and paid for government to stifle competition. Look at Bill Gates. Microsoft is one of the ****ties software systems out there. But it's really the only one used on such a wide scale. Microsoft has been accused of plenty of anti-trust and monopolistic behavior.. But they have pretty much bought off politicians and spend billions on special interest and lobbying. For anyone to argue Microsoft creates a superior product is laughable at best.
I just wasted 3 minutes of my life reading nothing but a bunch of complaining about folks that have and those have not.
I guess if the have not's want to get out there and become have's then they should get on it! At least here in America, nobody in government is going to tell them how they will make their living, how much they will be paid and were they will live..
I just wasted 3 minutes of my life reading nothing but a bunch of complaining about folks that have and those have not.
I guess if the have not's want to get out there and become have's then they should get on it! At least here in America, nobody in government is going to tell them how they will make their living, how much they will be paid and were they will live..
You probably have a high school education. I wouldn't expect you to understand.
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