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Old 06-09-2011, 03:45 PM
 
Location: California
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Originally Posted by city_data91 View Post
I'm never having sex.

But I think it's unfair that I need to choose a life of celibacy but a female that doesn't want a baby can have as much sex as she wants because she knows she can get an abortion.
Nobody said life was fair. I don't know why people keep harping on that.
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Old 06-09-2011, 03:59 PM
 
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Forcing a man to pay for a baby he doesn't want should be illegal...because???

How does one pay for a baby...do you mean support a baby?
Yes, I mean support a baby.

I agree with a woman's right to choose abortion if she doesn't want to support a baby.

But I think a male should be able to get out of supporting a baby too, even if the female keeps the baby.
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Old 06-09-2011, 04:02 PM
 
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Nobody said life was fair. I don't know why people keep harping on that.
What if I told you that you had to stay celibate forever if you don't want a baby and my explanation was "life is unfair"?
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Old 06-09-2011, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Yeah and if this was me saying this to you...
I'm not the one chasing my tail on this one, so to speak.
I've never had an unwanted pregnancy, either.
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Old 06-09-2011, 04:19 PM
 
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As a woman, I would be beyond afronted if I was forced to have a baby I didn't want - and by the same token, if I wanted to keep a a baby against the adament wishes of the baby's father, then I would do it on my own terms and absolve him from any further responsibility.

He would have to give up any right to the child at all whatsoever as a result, and would be forbidden any contact, even if said child became an all-star gazillion dollar earning NBA player, or the first female President of the USA.

Just as I don't want to be forced into a life altering situation, neither would I want to force someone else into it.
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Old 06-09-2011, 04:26 PM
 
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If a man doesn't want to pay for his baby, he only appears bad because the baby actually exists.

But if a female doesn't want to pay for a baby, she can get an abortion and the baby will never exist. The man that walks out on his baby is no worse than the woman that gets an abortion.
well... we arent talking about women who have abortions. We are talking about you and your willingness to walk away from a baby you might father....

We have already established the inequity in the law. But in fact, any person male or female who will abandon their child....

Now I am not talking about those who legally give a child up for adoption, for these people I have ultimate respect.

But those who wont take responsibility... sub-human.
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Old 06-09-2011, 04:28 PM
 
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So dont have sex, ever.
See how easy that is once you stop obfuscating the issue?
... back to this....its a false argument...


How do you feel when pro-lifers tell you that women should not have sex as that keeps them from needing abortions...
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Old 06-09-2011, 04:31 PM
 
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If a female doesn't want the responsibility/financial stress that goes along with parenthood, she can get an abortion and never look back. Even if the male wants to keep the baby, the female has the power to get an abortion.

So why do the males get no say? If a female can just walk away from the responsibility if she doesn't want a baby, a male should be able to do the same thing.

If the female wants to keep the baby but the male doesn't, the male gets stuck paying child support.

In both examples, one parent wants to keep the baby. So why does the male get stuck paying for a baby he doesn't want?

Of course the male can't get an abortion. But I don't think the male should need to pay child support for a baby he doesn't want.

Sure, you might be thinking "The male helped create the baby. If the female wants to keep it, the male should pay"

But it takes two to tango. Both parents played an equal role in creating the baby. So if the male can't force the female to pay, why should the female be able to force the male to pay?

By the way, I am pro-choice. I support abortion and I don't see anything wrong with a female getting an abortion if she doesn't want to pay for a baby. But if a male doesn't want to pay for a baby, he shouldn't need to either.
So what happens when the female gets pregnant, both male and female don't want the child, and abortion is illegal???, or neither of them can affored to pay for one???
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Old 06-09-2011, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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... back to this....its a false argument...


How do you feel when pro-lifers tell you that women should not have sex as that keeps them from needing abortions...
Let me ask you this; have you read the OPs posting history?
The post you quoted was aimed directly at him, not at anyone else on this forum.
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Old 06-09-2011, 04:34 PM
 
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So what happens when the female gets pregnant, both male and female don't want the child, and abortion is illegal???, or neither of them can affored to pay for one???
we will then be back in the days of coat hanger and back alley abortions where women died. some children will be born only to be abandoned, some born to be raised with out much care or attention. only a small portion would be given up for adoption
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