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These silly folks and their birthing nonsense. I mean it's not like Obama was born in one state on Aug. 4th, 1961 and Anna, the mother, registered for classes at the University of Washington (another state a pretty good ways away from Hawaii) 15 days later.
I could understand if there was a lot of murky things involved with that family like a mysterious wedding that can't be verified (and there's no proof of) or no mention whatsoever from Obama Sr. about Obama Jr. and Anna when Mr. Abercrombie (you know the one in the story being used as a witness) visited Obama senior in Kenya.
First of all, you get a point off in the cred dept. for calling Stanley ANN Dunham-Obama "Anna". That is not her name.
Secondly, so what? She was 18 years old at the time. In my school district, teen moms have to be back in class two weeks after delivery.
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Originally Posted by BigJon3475
Well she got an A in the class so I highly doubt she missed too much. Of course that still doesn't explain why she would pick a school 2,580 miles away from a place that she was so mentally stimulated from a person who wqas so mentally stimulating, Obama Sr., or at least that's what she relayed to everyone else when she met Obama the elder.
What is this crap? Why is anything about his mother's education or her relationship with his father relevant to this thread.
She probably did, from a school that was 2,580 miles away?
And actually if she was trying to reach graduation more quickly that's not what she actually did.
The courses on that record are for 5 credit hours a piece. That's 20 in all. That wasn't considered full time back then. To have reached full time she would have had to double that amount of credit hours and I'm just not seeing her traveling back and forth from Hawaii to Washington state for a class schedule.
It was an EXTENSION class. That's what they had before online classes. Washington and Hawaii are part of a consortium of states called WICHE. They co-operate. It's possible the U of WA course was taken in HI. Furthermore, I'd be shocked if 20 credit-hours wasn't full time in 1961. It certainly was more than full time when I went to college six years later.
Umm... she earned her Ph.D. in Anthropology in 1992... she died in 1995.
What's the point? And WHAT does this have to do with Obama's birth 30 years earlier?
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Umm.. the whole reason they got the name fat-cats from Obama was because these banks were making loans to people who couldn't afford them. That's as ironic as it gets.
Obama invented that name? I could swear I'd heard it before. Let me think, what year was that I first heard that term? Probably in 1959, when I first started reading satire in "Mad" magazine.
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Why doesn't Obama just simply provide proof of citizenship and end the inquisition? Seems reasonable to me. What is the big deal? Previous president's did not conceal their birth certificates, why does Obama? Seems a bit shady to me.
NO OTHER PRESIDENT HAS EVER RELEASED A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. No other president has release school records, even when there has been some speculation as to their school accomplishments. Bush did not release his military records when there was a question.
The "question" is based on baseless speculation and outright lies. There is absolutely no evidence that actually suggests that Obama was born anywhere other than Honolulu.
Why don't you tell us what exactly you think happened? You know, answer that question about your theory of how Obama was born outside the US that you never seem to get around to answering?
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Not in the reality-based community, it's not. And yet, he is still the ONLY President who has released such proof - but you still don't believe it.
By the way, did you ever figure out how his mom managed to give birth to him in Kenya, get the birth announced in Hawaii by the DOH, and get a Hawaii birth certificate, etc,. etc., etc.? Because, as I recall, you're one of the people who has thus far denied all evidence that he was born here, yet haven't shared your alternate theory of events.
I'm neither a detective nor an investigator, therefore I don't know the answers to your questions. However, there are so many highly unusual circumstances surrounding Obama that it causes people to question all these things that simply don't make [common] sense. The questions about Obama are legit, and understandable. In the case of his eligibility status - all the man has to do is show 'exacting' proof with his Long-Form birth certificate. The state of Hawaii, the DoH, the governor, the white house spokesperson(s), etc., etc. have done nothing to help matters, but instead only caused increased doubt. There is one person that can close the door on this - and that is Obama. But, he's unwilling.
It's like when a police detective questions a 'person of interest' and the person refuses to reveal anything. Does his unwillingness to talk increase the focus toward this person? You bet it does! It increases the doubt about what he does say, and the detectives are far less likely to believe he is not involved. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. It's really very simple to understand why so many people question Obama about this. What's he hiding? And why is he unwilling to reveal any and all information to clear it up? FIRE!!!
I'm neither a detective nor an investigator, therefore I don't know the answers to your questions. However, there are so many highly unusual circumstances surrounding Obama that it causes people to question all these things that simply don't make [common] sense. The questions about Obama are legit, and understandable. In the case of his eligibility status - all the man has to do is show 'exacting' proof with his Long-Form birth certificate. The state of Hawaii, the DoH, the governor, the white house spokesperson(s), etc., etc. have done nothing to help matters, but instead only caused increased doubt. There is one person that can close the door on this - and that is Obama. But, he's unwilling.
It's like when a police detective questions a 'person of interest' and the person refuses to reveal anything. Does his unwillingness to talk increase the focus toward this person? You bet it does! It increases the doubt about what he does say, and the detectives are far less likely to believe he is not involved. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. It's really very simple to understand why so many people question Obama about this. What's he hiding? And why is he unwilling to reveal any and all information to clear it up? FIRE!!!
He has already provided legal proof; more than any other president has done. Why do you insist on manufacturing doubt without even a working theory to back it up? All you seem to have are nebulous scenarios that, if actually examined, fail to hold up. They are merely conspiracy theories that make anyone who believes they have any shred of credibility look naive and uneducated.
You mean, sort of the way the left insists that our own government perpetrated 9-11?
Funnily enough, I don't know a single person who believes that, or professes to believe it. I've only seen the (conspiracy) theory mentioned online and on a couple of TV shows.
He has already provided legal proof; more than any other president has done. Why do you insist on manufacturing doubt without even a working theory to back it up? All you seem to have are nebulous scenarios that, if actually examined, fail to hold up. They are merely conspiracy theories that make anyone who believes they have any shred of credibility look naive and uneducated.
You can say that a zillion times, but it holds no water. The truth is available from Obama, but he refuses to offer the truth with 'absolute' proof that is easily available to him.
You mean, sort of the way the left insists that our own government perpetrated 9-11?
That's just another conspiracy theory, these have nothing to do with left or right. Logical people, no matter what their politics do not fall for nonsense that has absolutely no evidence to back it up.
That's just another conspiracy theory, these have nothing to do with left or right. Logical people, no matter what their politics do not fall for nonsense that has absolutely no evidence to back it up.
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Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?
As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:
A person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and
has become legally adopted, or
has undergone a sex change operation, or
a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made, or
previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law.
A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.
Obama does not fit into any of those categories, unless you're saying with your diatribe against his mother that she's really NOT his mother, in which case I'd say BS.
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