School held prayer services before tests (politicians, European, Muslim, kids)
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Just how would a school PREVENT prayer before a test?
They wouldn't and shouldn't if it's a student led meeting. They can easily prevent themselves from holding a prayer meeting though. That's just a silly question.
I know that many people "pray" instead of taking action as if it is their lucky rabbits foot.
Too many people "pray" for their neighbors in need instead of helping them. Praying, instead of studying, for a test is as effective as the WI couple that prayed for their daughter (who died of diabetes) instead of seeking medical attention for her.
So the SCOTUS is wrong. They have not interpreted it correctly. Considering many of the original states had official religions, they would have been illegal at the time of the signing...which we knew wasn't the case. Of course, that doesn't sway a liberal's mind if it's made up...but oh well.
You are right that in the early days of the Republic states could violate portions of the Bill of Rights with impunity. The Supreme Court often interpreted the Bill of Rights and other constitutional provisions as applying only to the federal government, and not to the states. See Barron v. Baltimore, 32 U.S. (7 Pet.) 243 (1833).
However, the Fourteenth Amendment changed this pattern. Beginning in the 1880s and 1890s, the Supreme Court began to incorporate the Bill of Rights to the states, holding that the Fourteenth Amendment requires that rights under the Constitution and Bill of Rights also apply to state and local governments. This is why you could have a state-sanctioned government in 1800, but not in 1900. At this point almost the entirety of the Bill of Rights has been incorporated as being obligatory on state and local governments as well.
So the SCOTUS is wrong. They have not interpreted it correctly. Considering many of the original states had official religions, they would have been illegal at the time of the signing...which we knew wasn't the case. Of course, that doesn't sway a liberal's mind if it's made up...but oh well.
In any event, WHAT LAW WAS BROKEN BY THIS BEING DONE? Please give me actual quotation from a law, or the constitution.
Please see Engel v. Vitale and Abington School District v. Schempp. There is precedent and rulings stating that administrative-led prayer is wrong - no matter what denominational or non-denominational flavour it is.
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Originally Posted by Calvinist
You're getting closer...except you haven't told me what religion was actually established as a result of this.
Well, here's the flyer. Notice the use of "God", and not "G-d", "Yahweh", "Jenova", "Allah", "Poseidon", and/or "god(s)". Also notice the reference to Jeremiah 33:3 which says:
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Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.
Perhaps those "great and unsearchable things you do not know" would be the correct answers to the test?
Then go to a private religious school instead of forcing your beliefs on others.
How would you feel if students went to a private religious school and fought to have prayer removed there?
This prayer was voluntary. Not forced. In fact, my public school just opened a new Christian club for believers in God. There was a poll in our school paper saying that of the nearly 200 students polled, 90% believe in God, 3% did not and 7% were unsure. 71% of the students said we should allow prayers as well. There was also a protest among some students that were upset our school had a Gay/straight alliance club, but no Christian club and thus one was created.
So, I don't really think I would be "forcing" my beliefs.
This prayer was voluntary. Not forced. In fact, my public school just opened a new Christian club for believers in God. There was a poll in our school paper saying that of the nearly 200 students polled, 90% believe in God, 3% did not and 7% were unsure. 71% of the students said we should allow prayers as well. There was also a protest among some students that were upset our school had a Gay/straight alliance club, but no Christian club and thus one was created.
So, I don't really think I would be "forcing" my beliefs.
What god do these 90% believe in?
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