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Old 11-15-2010, 11:57 AM
 
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Well, the big deal, in my eyes, is that for sending this disruptive student to the principal's office, the teacher was reprimanded and suspended from his job without pay because the school board believes that allowing students to wear confederate flags and spread a message of anti-gay intolerance is appropriate in a public school classroom.



And such behavior clear does "annoy" some members of the class. Watch the clip where one of his 14 year old gay students defends the teacher in front of the school board by saying that allowing such anti-gay rhetoric in the classroom leads to students like him to be fearful when at school, being bullied, and even trying to kill themselves.
I'm glad the teacher got suspended because what right do they have in telling students what flag to bring and what not to bring? And as for hate speech, I'm glad they got reprimanded too. If we banned all speech that was deemed hateful just so we don't hurt anybody's feelings, then there'd be no point left in the 1st Amendment!
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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It's irrational to be in fear of a confederate flag. It's a historic symbol, and certainly doesn't suggest anti-gay sentiments. To many people, it represents a Southern heritage, something those from the south take pride in.

The teacher may have been the bigot. He may be bigoted against those who are proud to claim historic ties to the southern culture. He's certainly a bigot if he assumes anyone should be ashamed to even associate themselves with traditional southern culture, and views southern culture as necessarily a shameful thing.
And to other people it symbolizes anti-federalism as well. It's more than just Southern Pride to a lot of people
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:59 AM
 
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Because the teacher deemed his "speech" as hateful, because the teacher didn't agree with the student's sentiments, that is why he was removed.
I think this teacher says it best:

"I believe any symbol or speech that can cause a student to sit in fear in the classroom whether or not there is an outward show of that fear is by its very nature a disruption to the educational process."


I could not agree more.
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Old 11-15-2010, 12:03 PM
 
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EXACTLY!!!!! the OP is saying that just because someone disagrees with the gay lifestyle that person is a bigot. just another example of good old liberal tolerance.
I think you're confused about what the word lifestyle means. Gay is not a lifestyle - it's a sexuality.
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Old 11-15-2010, 12:04 PM
 
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Well, the big deal, in my eyes, is that for sending this disruptive student to the principal's office, the teacher was reprimanded and suspended from his job without pay because the school board believes that allowing students to wear confederate flags and spread a message of anti-gay intolerance is appropriate in a public school classroom.
You forgot to add... "while forcing his views of homosexuality on the students".
The incompetent teacher should lose their job if they can't perform the required teaching duties without implementing their own brand of social justice in the classroom.
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Old 11-15-2010, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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I'm with the teacher on this one. Students don't go to school to spout opinions, they go there to form them. The kid's views are, in this case, a matter of indifference to a teacher interested in preserving order.

Were this a college classroom I might feel different.
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Old 11-15-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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I think you're confused about what the word lifestyle means. Gay is not a lifestyle - it's a sexuality.
Sorry, it's a lifestyle. Just like living straight is a lifestyle, living the thug life is a lifestyle, etc.
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Old 11-15-2010, 12:17 PM
 
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oh yeah? so dressing in drag and going to "gay" nightclubs is all about sexuality and not a lifestyle?
Would you please describe to me the straight lifestyle?

Are there really only 2 or 3 lifestyles out there for people to choose from (a straight lifestyle, a gay lifestyle, and a bisexual lifestyle)?
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Old 11-15-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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I don't see a problem with kids wearing purple in support of the anti-gay movement. I don't see a problem with kids wearing the confederate flag. If the school has a rule about confederate flags (which the teacher argues that it does), then that's the school's thing. I don't agree with it, but the teacher was merely enforcing that rule. I do see a problem with breaking into a full-fledged argument in the middle of the classroom. As soon as the kid became overly disruptive, he was asked to leave the class. Teacher did right to remove the disruptive student.

I'm not saying that because he was all "Grrrr arrrg anti-gay" - because for all I care, he could have been serenading the class with a Broadway Musical. He was disrupting the class from learning and was thus removed.
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Old 11-15-2010, 12:22 PM
 
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Calling homosexuality a "lifestyle" (the "gay lifestyle") is nothing more than a smear used to try and pigeonhole and stereotype all gay men as feminine, crossdressing, boozing, sex-crazed, sinful deviants.
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