Would you vote for Governor Kasich as president? (Cleveland, Buckeye Lake: cul-de-sac, school districts)

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by OliverD614

It seems to me that JobsOhio has been one of Kasich's success stories. Amazon might have put a distribution center here eventually, but to locate a data center here takes some special effort. Likewise when we were almost able to get the Sears headquarters. Yes, they are heading for bankruptcy, but I would take 10 years of tax revenue on all those corporate salaries.

They got Marathon to stay. Don't laugh - NCR and Chiquita and Electrolux and Ohio Mattress and Goodrich Aerospace didn't stay. The state is far better off with Marathon in Findlay than in Houston.

JobsOhio is a hardly a success when public services are being gutted, sales taxes and property taxes are being raised greatly impacting the less wealthy, and no one knows where all of the massive cash flow diverted from state liquor sales actually goes. How much did we pay Amazon, Marathon, or Procter Gamble for the jobs created?

Kasich gave tens of millions to Bob Evans, run by Kasich contributors, when they already had decided to stay in Columbus.

What is the overhead of the JobsOhio program? How much has been paid to investment banks to underwrite the debt (7 percent?)?

A better plan would have to only offer infrastructure and job training to Ohio workers for serious employers. Workers receiving job training would have been required to repay Ohio if they left the state within 10 years. Many states have plans such as these.

There have been reports that JobsOhio funds have ended up in the pockets of Kasich Republican supporters.

Public money should have the greatest transparency. JobsOhio has highly filtered transparency at best.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by OliverD614

Kasich is the only one of them who has ever balanced a budget. The rest of them? All talk. Kasich is all talk, too. But at least he did something.

The Ohio Constitution requires balanced budgets.

Kasich, however, has borrowed from the future with JobsOhio and leveraging the Ohio Turnpike, to fund his current programs. This is not highly fiscal responsible.

[PerryMason614]

Whine, whine, whine ... some people are never happy. So he leveraged the Ohio Turnpike? Big deal. You're the ones who didn't want him to sell or lease it. You were crying that he was going to do that too.

I think Kasich is doing a good job and the thinking behind JobsOhio is great too. He is the only candidate who has ever balanced the national budget.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by OliverD614

Whine, whine, whine ... some people are never happy. So he leveraged the Ohio Turnpike? Big deal. You're the ones who didn't want him to sell or lease it. You were crying that he was going to do that too.

I think Kasich is doing a good job and the thinking behind JobsOhio is great too. He is the only candidate who has ever balanced the national budget.

It's a big to deal to Ohio that future toll increases on the Ohio Turnpike, combined with similar toll increases on the leased Indiana Toll Road, will increasingly make manufacturing in northern Ohio uncompetitive. It's an especially unfair policy to northern Ohio and northern Indiana. Shouldn't users of the Ohio Turnpike care that they are being subjected to a hidden tax to benefit, only in the short run, other regions of the state?

Selling or leasing the turnpike would have resulted in even bigger toll increases. Are you in favor of selling or leasing I-70, I-71, etc.? Why not make them toll roads with prohibitive tolls?

You apparently don't care that Kasich and the Republicans needlessly will turn northern Ohio into a manufacturing wasteland, despite the region's plentiful water resources and industrial infrastructure. Why is that a good thing for Ohio?

Please explain to me why it's fair that the major east/west corridor through northern Ohio and Indiana is egregiously expensive while the I-70 and I-65 corridor remains free.

Like many, if not most, Kasich supporters, you apparently don't care about fairness or good policy.

If JobsOhio lacks transparency, is wasteful and inefficient, transfers funds directly to private interests with little net benefit to Ohio taxpayers, so what, in your view. Why?

Those who can't think, often hurl insults and try to belittle those whose opinions they can't refute in a futile attempt to preserve their self-respect. Of course, those individuals are just insolent as well as ignorant.

[Muffy1]

I don't know why average Americans are voting our rights away. We are just shooting ourselves in the foot. For goodness sakes, we don't even have laws for paid sick leave, vacation is optional. Providing health care was an issue. Unions are a problem for some people. Both parties are to blame. Now another trade agreement so corporations can take even more jobs overseas. Companies say that labor is too expensive so they go overseas and they say there isn't enough educated people in the US meanwhile education costs are spiraling out of control. So sad.

[PerryMason614]

Originally Posted by Muffy1

I don't know why average Americans are voting our rights away. We are just shooting ourselves in the foot. For goodness sakes, we don't even have laws for paid sick leave, vacation is optional. Providing health care was an issue. Unions are a problem for some people. Both parties are to blame. Now another trade agreement so corporations can take even more jobs overseas. Companies say that labor is too expensive so they go overseas and they say there isn't enough educated people in the US meanwhile education costs are spiraling out of control. So sad.

Don't blame companies and "corporations". Most of this is driven by Wall Street. Wall Street forces them to squeeze, which really means that workers have to spin their wheels harder to make money for investors. Just look at Bob Evans. The Wall Street guys are making them sell their real estate. What happens after they sell? The investors take the money and run.

[1watertiger]

When will the sheeple wake up? Both parties do exactly the same thing when they get to Washington. They break all their campaign promises , and screw us hard working stiffs who pay the taxes.

[WRnative]

Economic conservatives don't believe in leveraging the future to pay for current programs, unless an appropriate and dedicated stream of taxation is in place to finance the debt. They also don't believe in burdening a regional economy in a destructive way.

Here's a great explanation of how John Kasich is not an economic conservative.

In Fitch's fantasy world Kasich plan for Ohio Turnpike "conservative" won't affect rating COMMENT - Toll Roads News

As manufacturing flees northern Ohio, I wonder how much in tax revenues will be lost to Ohio, and how much the demand for social services will increase among the increasingly impoverished workers of northern Ohio.

Note how truckers and others will leave the Turnpike for other local roads. Who will pay for the increased wear-and-tear on these roads? As these roads aren't designed for efficient cross-state travel in many cases, the region also will see an increase in pollution and congestion.

Kasich has borrowed from the future at a great cost to fund current road construction and maintenance.

[hensleya1]

If the federal government would stop siphoning money from the highway trust fund to pay for mass transit, the highway fund wouldn't have a shortfall.

2.86 cents out of the 18 cent federal gas tax - or about 16% - goes to fund the dreams of progressives and liberals the world over... instead of where it's needed, actually fixing the roads that most people use.

If the federal government would stop wasting that money on pork barrel projects, maybe Kasich wouldn't have to leverage the Turnpike to pay for road projects elsewhere.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by hensleya1

If the federal government would stop siphoning money from the highway trust fund to pay for mass transit, the highway fund wouldn't have a shortfall.

2.86 cents out of the 18 cent federal gas tax - or about 16% - goes to fund the dreams of progressives and liberals the world over... instead of where it's needed, actually fixing the roads that most people use.

If the federal government would stop wasting that money on pork barrel projects, maybe Kasich wouldn't have to leverage the Turnpike to pay for road projects elsewhere.

Actually, Ohio returns vastly more of gas taxes collected to rural areas than to urban areas, but in urban areas, mass transit greatly reduces the need for highways and lowers congestion and pollution, as well as providing mobility to seniors and the handicapped allowing them to stay in their homes. Some urban areas even use mass transit as a much more economic alternative to school buses for older children.

Let's return gas taxes proportionately to all counties based on gas taxes collected in each county, after paying for upkeep on all interstates, after removing all discriminatory tolls on the Ohio Turnpike corridor. Let the individual counties figure out what to do with the gas taxes and how to supplement them.

I don't want to pay for rural freeways and highways any more than you want to pay for mass transit.

If you want fair, that would be fair!!! My hunch is that you don't want fair, just a bigger unfair bite of the sandwich, which is the deal that the Republicans and Kasich have dealt northern Ohio and Ohio's urban counties, additionally making northern Ohio pay for a much bigger share of the sandwich despite its ridiculously small bite.

Since its inception, the Ohio Turnpike has paid its own way, while resulting in much larger federal subsidies for the entire state. That wasn't good enough for the Republicans, they wanted even higher tolls on the Ohio Turnpike to service debt to pay to finance current projects in the rest of the state. If you want fairness, you should be appalled. Why aren't you???

Don't defame conservatives with your baloney.