03-04-2013, 11:37 PM
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Posting this here because I am willing to bet that NOVA folks know IT pay/scenarios better than the folks in the employment forum based on the unique situation that we have here.
Since I generally hate IT, but chose to work it to pay the bills I figure I might as well see how much I can actually make in this area?
I have 15 years of IT experience on the Server, Desktop, Application Packaging side of the house.
I hold or have held:
Clearances: Active DOD TS (I am not SCI eligible very easily due to wife being a Permanent Resident from an extremely non hostile country but no one is ever willing to wait long enough to allow me to get it)(Was easier getting a TS I swear).
Inactive DHS EOD x 2
4 public trusts or so
Education:
Associate of Science in IT + 2 years of technical school (Not having a Bachelor's degree outright has never been a hinderence until about a year ago. Now I see it being a hinderance every blue moon as the economy worsens..but definitely see a trend.) This has been an issue maybe 2 out of every 100 interactions. Only once was it ever preclusive.
Certifications:
MCSA 2012 (one test away from MCSE 2012)
MCSA 2008 (Desktop Side)
MCITP Desktop Enterprise Administrator
MCTS x 5
MCP
Security + CE
A+ CE
Network+ CE
Things that I'd like to do:
Forensics or Certified Ethical Hacking....but from what I can see most if not all of these types of jobs require SCI or higher.
Since I don't really like IT, I might as well get paid. How much can I make? What should I do next?
Thoughts?
Again purple people, I love you all very much!
Thank you
03-05-2013, 01:32 AM
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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You can go to one of the salary calculator sites, type in your desired job title and location and it will give you a median and range. You could also talk to some of the recruiting firms in the area.
03-05-2013, 01:44 AM
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Not a bad idea....have done it and saw some of the medians. I am above the median though and want to see what the market will bear. I checked indeed (which I really like) and I didn't see anything besides median data.
I believe that a typical average ceiling for my background with TS is about 120k. Have heard from some recruiters that it isn't really worth going Full Scope Poly to get an extra 15-20k because taxes will eat you alive. Not sure if that is completely valid, but it has to be partially valid.
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You can go to one of the salary calculator sites, type in your desired job title and location and it will give you a median and range. You could also talk to some of the recruiting firms in the area.
03-05-2013, 10:05 PM
Location: St Pete
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I would think a lot of also depends on whether you are working a contract with decent benefits vs a contract with little to no benefits or a salary position. I am a project server / sharepoint guy with a current secret. When I was working in Nova, I was usually between 60 and 80 an hour depending on what if any benefits I also received. That was about average for the people in my niche. I ended up leaving Nova for a perm position. The pay is a lot lower now but the cost of living in Fl is also a lot lower so it all works out about the same.
03-06-2013, 07:52 AM
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I am not SCI eligible very easily due to wife being a Permanent Resident from an extremely non hostile country but no one is ever willing to wait long enough to allow me to get it)(Was easier getting a TS I swear).
I can tell you with 100% certainty that this is not the issue. I know a naturalized citizen (and not from one of the major US allies) who has an SCI and works on sensitive NS stuff. It's probably more the cost involved for the agency.
03-08-2013, 10:50 PM
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Heh, I left Florida to come here....Sharepoint is a nice nitch. I am trying to remain a generalist in case I lose my job...employers are so fussy and expect you to know everything. Very solid issue. The part of Florida that I came from had an equal cost of living and no jobs. Fort Lauderdale, Miami, WPB area. I bet you moved to Tampa Bay, Orlando, or North of that. I'd like to hear about this!
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I would think a lot of also depends on whether you are working a contract with decent benefits vs a contract with little to no benefits or a salary position. I am a project server / sharepoint guy with a current secret. When I was working in Nova, I was usually between 60 and 80 an hour depending on what if any benefits I also received. That was about average for the people in my niche. I ended up leaving Nova for a perm position. The pay is a lot lower now but the cost of living in Fl is also a lot lower so it all works out about the same.
03-08-2013, 10:51 PM
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Could be what happened behind the scenes. Who knows....thanks for that insight.
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I can tell you with 100% certainty that this is not the issue. I know a naturalized citizen (and not from one of the major US allies) who has an SCI and works on sensitive NS stuff. It's probably more the cost involved for the agency.
03-09-2013, 12:08 AM
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It all depends on what type of IT you're in. I've run the gamut from Data Analysis, DBA, Systems Admin, Network to various Network Security fields, and they all have a completely different payscale. The only thing I've never done (professionally) is development, and surprisingly, it seems to pay fairly low considering the skill required. I would suggest asking peers within your individual industry. There are probably forums that have many more people in your profession where a certain percentage live around here and would be willing to clue you in via PM.
03-09-2013, 02:26 AM
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Appreciate it!
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It all depends on what type of IT you're in. I've run the gamut from Data Analysis, DBA, Systems Admin, Network to various Network Security fields, and they all have a completely different payscale. The only thing I've never done (professionally) is development, and surprisingly, it seems to pay fairly low considering the skill required. I would suggest asking peers within your individual industry. There are probably forums that have many more people in your profession where a certain percentage live around here and would be willing to clue you in via PM.
03-09-2013, 03:16 PM
Location: St Pete
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Heh, I left Florida to come here....Sharepoint is a nice nitch. I am trying to remain a generalist in case I lose my job...employers are so fussy and expect you to know everything. Very solid issue. The part of Florida that I came from had an equal cost of living and no jobs. Fort Lauderdale, Miami, WPB area. I bet you moved to Tampa Bay, Orlando, or North of that. I'd like to hear about this!
I went to St. Pete to take what was promised to be a long term temp to hire position at American Express. I was supposed to be the Project Server admin. They had a reorg and axed the PMO office 3 weeks after I moved here so I became a Sharepoint Admin. SharePoint wasn't really my strong point. I know a moderate amount due to the fact that project server runs on top of it. I couldn't find another project server gig in St. Pete ( paying over 70k) so I ended up at an old company I worked for in the past, HP. unfortunetly, the new HP ceo doesn't like remote work so I have to move to Atlanta ( where I used to live). The COL is similar to Tampa / St. Pete and this is an employee situation directly with HP, so no contracting bs to deal with. The new MSCE is SharePoint required a Windows server MCSA as a prereq so I have 6 books to to through to get the 2012 cert. For Giggles, I am also going to take the 2010 tests as I never had a need to take them before. I had taken the Project / Project server 2010 series of tests about 2 yrs ago.
NOVA wasn't too bad to me, I was able to get some good stuff on my resume and get my rate higher than before I moved there but 2yrs up there was long enough
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People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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