07-26-2009, 06:31 PM
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You are so right Dan. She has yet to come up with a reason about how it would benefit the region. We already established that only 6 percent, and I can't believe it's that high, commute to NY. And people taking shopping trips isn't enough to justify our taxes going up and bringing more undesirables to the area.
Six percent equates to about 100,000 people. Nevermind the cash flow into our area by those coming in from NYC to just visit or shop here since it's cheaper. Couple that with the fact that good, reliable transportation is a commodity to any area and I think that this is a good idea.
07-26-2009, 06:36 PM
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Not to mention that mass transit is *always* preferable than individual transit environmentally speaking.
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Ooops! Forgot. The undesirables will find a way to get here via the Martz bus line. I don't believe that because a train is coming into an area that all of the sudden these "undesirables" are going to say "Hey! We can ride the rails into PA now." That isn't realistic, IMO.
07-26-2009, 06:38 PM
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Six percent equates to about 100,000 people. Nevermind the cash flow into our area by those coming in from NYC to just visit or shop here since it's cheaper. Couple that with the fact that good, reliable transportation is a commodity to any area and I think that this is a good idea.
We don't want it OK. It hasn't been here, so it's not like we're missing anything. Why would people from NYC want to come to Scranton to shop when they have the biggest and best stores in the world there. Come on, you're not serious. If anything they'll come here to peddle their drugs, because the train is a quick way to do it. For this area it's not worth it in the long run for our taxes to go up.
07-26-2009, 06:42 PM
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We don't want it OK. It hasn't been here, so it's not like we're missing anything. Why would people from NYC want to come to Scranton to shop when they have the biggest and best stores in the world there. Come on, you're not serious. If anything they'll come here to peddle their drugs, because the train is a quick way to do it. For this area it's not worth it in the long run for our taxes to go up.
That is a good point. The drugs are transported more convenient on a train than a car. I saw this quite a bit. It is very hard to search a person, so drug transport via a train is much easier.
07-26-2009, 06:43 PM
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I do want it. OK? Hasn't been here so we are not missing anything? Ok. So before the arena, baseball stadium, downtown theater etc came in we weren't missing anything either but we certainly have benefitted greatly from these projects. People *already* come here to shop because of the savings! The Crossings is amazingly popular with NJ/NY residents. I am serious. I am sorry to say this but you are really making me doubt the veracity of your arguments when every one of them includes something about these phantom train riding thugged out drug runners. I do think it's worth the increase in our taxes. I think it could really benefit our area greatly.
07-26-2009, 06:45 PM
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That is a good point. The drugs are transported more convenient on a train than a car. I saw this quite a bit. It is very hard to search a person, so drug transport via a train is much easier.
Drugs are also transported with maximum regularity via bus and airplanes, but I don't see anyone yelling for the shut down of Martz or WB/S airport. You cannot base city planning on those who may use the benefits of said planning. That makes no sense. You are basically saying that it doesn't matter how much it would benefit those on the up and up, if "undesirables" use the system we have to scrap the whole idea. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
07-26-2009, 06:52 PM
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Drugs are also transported with maximum regularity via bus and airplanes, but I don't see anyone yelling for the shut down of Martz or WB/S airport. You cannot base city planning on those who may use the benefits of said planning. That makes no sense. You are basically saying that it doesn't matter how much it would benefit those on the up and up, if "undesirables" use the system we have to scrap the whole idea. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Here we go again.
I am not cutting off anything. I really do not care. I think if people thought it would be such a wonderful idea it would have already existed. If it does come, I think it would be many years from now, in hence, you and I would not benefit from anything. I can tell you from personal experience that drug transporting on railroads is very common. I am sure it is common on planes and buses and well. I was just commenting that NYRanger's point was valid. If you go back and digress for a second, you will find that I did not say anything about "undesirables". I just made a point about drug transport on trains - which I have first hand experience in.
07-26-2009, 06:54 PM
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That is a good point. The drugs are transported more convenient on a train than a car. I saw this quite a bit. It is very hard to search a person, so drug transport via a train is much easier.
Magritte just doesn't get what we're saying. I have lived on Long Island and rode the train a lot to the city and have seen drug dealers on there and the like, they are there, don't be naive. I still don't see the benefits of the train. She used the example of The Crossings. Most of the NY and NJ people that frequent that have second homes up here and drive up and stop there because it is right off of I-80. I doubt many people would come up here by train just to go there, maybe some, but not enough to justify it. Again, how does this benefit the WB/Scranton area. What is around here that would lure New Yorkers here?
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Here we go again.
Yes, here we go again. I don't agree with you. Big whoop. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing about something. It's not against TOS.
I didn't say YOU were cutting off anything. I said that if we are basing public works ideas on what the "bad people" may do - well that makes NO sense to me. All of our improvements in this area in the past 25 years at some point did NOT exist. I think that's a strawman argument - if it was such a good idea it would already exist. I think I would benefit from a rail service. Yes, indeed, I know I would. I don't know about you since I don't know you or your life. I know you said nothing about "undesirables". I wasn't only replying to you. I was replying to NY too.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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