North Carolina development thread. (Charlotte, Greensboro: tenants, lawsuit, stores)

[Charlotte485]

Originally Posted by nicholas_n

While I'm glad to see development starting to head that way, it is a real shame to lose a near-100 year-old building among the development frenzy. I realize NCDOT has been pitching a fit about the Polk building being too close to Graham St, but if we keep knocking over all of the buildings that helped put the city of Charlotte on the map, we'll have nothing left but new buildings with pictures of old ones inside of them.

Agreed. Such a shame the way the building was built and such,
There’s no way to repurpose it :/

[Charlotte485]

Interesting fact.


Between Uptown & SouthEnd, there are more units planned or U/C than the entire population of downtown Raleigh.


Downtown Raleigh has 900+ units planned or under construction. Uptown/SouthEnd has over 8,200 units planned or u/c.

Downtown Raleigh has had around 1500 units delivered between 2015-2017, uptown over 3,000. SouthEnd around 2,400


Other things

Uptown is adding double the amount of hotels downtown Raleigh has and uptown already has around 5x the amount of hotel rooms of Raleigh.

Downtown Raleigh: 48,000 workers
Uptown Charlotte: 100,000+ workers


I don’t have the figures handy, but I’m just going to guess uptown is probably adding 5x the amount of office space Raleigh is adding


Average income of uptown resident is a staggering 105,000.... (SouthEnd, 55k)....


Sources: the cities respective annual reports.

[Trent Y]

Originally Posted by Charlotte485

Interesting fact.


Between Uptown & SouthEnd, there are more units planned or U/C than the entire population of downtown Raleigh.


Downtown Raleigh has 900+ units planned or under construction. Uptown/SouthEnd has over 8,200 units planned or u/c.

Downtown Raleigh has had around 1500 units delivered between 2015-2017, uptown over 3,000. SouthEnd around 2,400


Other things

Uptown is adding double the amount of hotels downtown Raleigh has and uptown already has around 5x the amount of hotel rooms of Raleigh.

Downtown Raleigh: 48,000 workers
Uptown Charlotte: 100,000+ workers


I don’t have the figures handy, but I’m just going to guess uptown is probably adding 5x the amount of office space Raleigh is adding


Average income of uptown resident is a staggering 105,000.... (SouthEnd, 55k)....


Sources: the cities respective annual reports.

I’ll take the bait I guess.

It’s not interesting. It’s expected. Charlotte is roughly double the size of Raleigh in most metrics. And is built and always has been built more centrally focused. Making sure Uptown was the massive core. Without using South End to inflate those numbers even more (not sure why) nothing is really a surprise from what you stated. Kinda just seems like yet another bait to turn a thread into Raleigh vs Charlotte for some reason. Ah well I fell for it if that was the purpose.

[urbancharlotte]

Originally Posted by Trent Y

Without using South End to inflate those numbers even more (not sure why)

South End is often added because of its density and proximity to uptown. South End is about 0.5 miles wide and 2 miles long (1 sq mile). Almost 10,000 residents will live there as of this year.

In many cities, the downtown boundaries often include adjacent rapidly growing neighborhoods like South End. I've even seen downtown Raleigh include parts of Cameron Village and Hillsborough Street near NCSU. DT Raleigh stats usually include everything within a 1 mile radius of Fayetteville Street. That means that most dt Raleigh stats are based on a 3.14 sq mile downtown area. Uptown and South End combined are 3.14 sq/miles.

[metro.m]

Originally Posted by urbancharlotte

South End is often added because of its density and proximity to uptown. South End is about 0.5 miles wide and 2 miles long (1 sq mile). Almost 10,000 residents will live there as of this year.

In many cities, the downtown boundaries often include adjacent rapidly growing neighborhoods like South End. I've even seen downtown Raleigh include parts of Cameron Village and Hillsborough Street near NCSU. DT Raleigh stats usually include everything within a 1 mile radius of Fayetteville Street. That means that most dt Raleigh stats are based on a 3.14 sq mile downtown area. Uptown and South End combined are 3.14 sq/miles.

Stop manipulating statistics and get a life. Your knowledge is misleading and false.

[Charlotte485]

Originally Posted by Trent Y

I’ll take the bait I guess.

It’s not interesting. It’s expected. Charlotte is roughly double the size of Raleigh in most metrics. And is built and always has been built more centrally focused. Making sure Uptown was the massive core. Without using South End to inflate those numbers even more (not sure why) nothing is really a surprise from what you stated. Kinda just seems like yet another bait to turn a thread into Raleigh vs Charlotte for some reason. Ah well I fell for it if that was the purpose.

SouthEnd and Uptown are combined because it’s how it’s reported. They’re not split up anymore. And I felt
Like it would’ve been misleading not to point that out.


Also other figures weren’t fair to to compare. Charlotte’s report had annual visitors, Raleigh had “visitors of top downtown attractions.” Etc.


And the only thing I found interesting was Charlotte/SouthEnd building more units than all of downtown Raleigh’s population. Like I said, it doesn’t break those numbers up but based on the past and knowing what’s being built, I would guess it’s split 5,000/3,000 uptown/SouthEnd.



And about what includes downtown Raleigh:



^ that is where the population is around 8100. And that is where around 900 units are planned or U/C


Within 1 mile from downtown Raleigh, there are around 15,000 people.




Other highlights from report for CLT:

- 1,000+ Bikeshare bikes
- 1.35 Million Sq. Ft of office opened in 2017
- 5.1 Million sq. Ft of office is planned or U/C
- 125 days of pro sports games (that’s a lot!)
- 758 Daily departures at airport to over 150 destinations
- 3rd largest airline hub in world
- Blue like extension to UNCC complete by March
- Gold Line extension to Plaza-Midwood & WestEnd U/C
- 489,000 people live within a 15 minute drive to uptown

Yearly attendance of professional teams uptown:

- 710,473 (Hornets) - 41 home games
- 580,343 (Panthers) - 8 home games
- 628,526 (Knights) 62 home games


- 46% of the population is 20-34
- 18% of the population is under 19
- 14% of the population is over 55


Population of Uptown/SouthEnd: Around 30,000
(Uptown, around 20, SouthEnd around 10)


If anyone cares to read
https://www.charlottecentercity.org/...ochure_Web.pdf


Here is SouthEnd growing into uptown. And the uptown portion to is completely
Developed up to 277. There’s 5 ways to enter uptown from SouthEnd. 2 large bridges that are very
Pedestrian friendly. Light rail. And two other streets that go under 277...

SouthEnd is literally by far more connected than the western half of uptown to the rest. There’s a greenway and only 3 streets side by side. Train tracks bisect uptown.



Link: https://s3.amazonaws.com/up-bucket-0...cf17a17b9f.JPG


Here is the Tryon bridge

[Charlotte485]

Actually 8 ways to enter uptown from SouthEnd. Old map missing Romare Park,
Baseball stadium, 1st Ward park, etc but it still conveys that the two areas are seamless and that’s why CCP combined their figures


That’s not me manipulating btw. That’s just me explaining why the numbers are combined. I didn’t create the report. I don’t make the maps. If they wanted to inflate the numbers, they would’ve gave all of Center city numbers within a 1 mile, 2 mile or 3 mile radius

[Charlotte485]

This was share on another site. I used to work in a little office building to the left of this frame on the other side of Park Rd.



http://images1.loopnet.com/d2/-WpWXL...Q/document.pdf

[raleighsocial]

"Hmmm, hard pass." - Amazon.

[Charlotte485]

Just a part of the development U/C along Stonewall




Take a look at this awesome shot of our community @uptown_550 located in Uptown Charlotte taken by @ejeshoots! Thanks for sharing the photo - northwoodravin


A little further down Stonewall, webcam of BofA Tower rising