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They run the country. They are the Presidents, the governors, the judges, the legislatures, the heads of top government agencies, and the CEOs and they are the media.
That's where the attitude of poor working class people come in. Just because you have a degree in English does not mean you have to teach, regardless of whether you went to a private or public school undergraduate. There are people with English degrees working in publishing, theatre, film, television, investment banking, legal (as paralegals if they haven't gone to law school), etc.
And there are prestigious universities outside the Ivy League. Stanford, University of Chicago, Northwestern, MIT, the University of California (a public school system) ,etc.
Nobody graduates from an Ivy League with a D, you need to pass your major classes with at least a C!
And I had a friend who was a Puerto Rican kid from the Bronx at Cornell.
Basically, if in a subject you LIKE and are TALENTED in, you blow your competition away it does not matter whether you have wealthy or poor parents, or necessarily whether or not you attended an Ivy League.
Toni Morrison attended Howard University, a black college. While it's true later on she went to Cornell, this was in the 50s. She was a talented woman who became a well known writer and a professor.
And having attended an Ivy League campus, there were more than just "token" Blacks, Wasps, and Jews on campus. There are a good number of Asian and Hispanic students on campus, middle eastern students. Actually, there's a good number of international students. But even if you restrict things to Americans, there are decent numbers of Asians, Blacks, and Hispanics in the Ivy League. You have to demonstrate TALENT, good grades, and/or test scores.
Nice way to put it. Working class yes, but poor nooooo! Twelve years ago I had an opportunity to visit Cornell which is not far from Ithaca College. The area is a nice college town. Cornell has a nice campus, but the very day I went to visit Cornell, police and fire fighters were at the bottom of the gorge looking for a student who jumped off a bridge and committed suicide. I applied to Cornell, but I didn't get in even though I had decent grades. Again this was twelve years ago, I hope they put up a net for would be jumpers on the Cornell campus.
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Originally Posted by NyWriterdude
Btw, a person from CUNY with a degree in whatever could rise to the top. That person would need to graduate top of the class and would also need to have had good internships in the field. That would go a long way in helping that person get employment, and if grad school because necessary graduating at the top of CUNY, plus their practical experience could get them in the best graduate programs in the country.
True to some extent. I think one of those Goldman Sachs Ceos if I'm not mistaken went to Baruch college.
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What is it that makes you think I am unsuccessful? I'm a homeowner and I have children that I can support. Perhaps you are just bitter because I didn't have to rack up your type of student debt just to end up living in affordable housing.
For me in my opinion this is the greatest success when it all boils down and its a universal success, and as an American and as a New Yorker the middle class is seeing less and less of this as people become a nation and a city of renters, absentee fathers and single moms. Owning a home, having a family and being able to take care of your do's is by far the greatest success out there as well as a noble one too. Again the system wont let me rep you.
I have to say that you are very right about this one G!
Trying to get nywriterdude to look past just the upper echelon of society, but he won't budge. I'm afraid he's a lost cause. The ivies will do that to you. Then he is only interested in protecting the working poor by unionization, not realizing there is a whole world in between.
Trying to get nywriterdude to look past just the upper echelon of society, but he won't budge. I'm afraid he's a lost cause. The ivies will do that to you. Then he is only interested in protecting the working poor by unionization, not realizing there is a whole world in between.
How do think working in the private sector works for these Blacks? And obviously temps are not limited to manual labor but extend to corporate jobs. Latinos find themselves in that boat as well.
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Blacks are NOT gaining by virtue of the public sector because the public sector is SHRINKING. Even as millions of jobs have been gained in the private sector 700,000 have been lost in the public sector since 2009.
Obviously as blacks and as women (all races) are disproportionately in these jobs their employment situation has deteriorated quite a bit.
So NY tell me how blacks can be benefitting if the sector where too many of them work no longer provides opportunities?
Indeed the future for blacks and Latinos is tied to their ability to figure out how to attain either highly skilled and/or professional jobs in the PRIVATE sector. The challenges that these groups face, which impair their ability to progress at levels comparable to whites and Asians, is what should be discussed.
Dreaming that the public sector is the answer to blacks is pure folly because budgets are being tightened and so fewer public sector jobs are being created. Even now as the economy gradually recovers.
Indeed what is increasingly being done is OUTSOURCING work to the PRIVATE sector, so if blacks aren't there they will be further blocked from opportunities which the public sector indirectly creates.
So while it upsets CaribNY that a disproportionate share of Blacks work in public sector jobs (unionized), it's much better to work in civil service than it is a private sector temp job where one is paid at or near the minimum wage (and these workers are disproportionately Black and Latino as well).
NY in NYC public sector jobs are SHRINKING. Obviously that its just another way of saying that a whole lot of black folks are losing their jobs.
So what is there to celebrate. SERIOUSLY when the places were the jobs are now being created is in the PRIVATE sector.
And a major reason why the public sector is shrinking is because it CANNOT support the massive retiree benefits which unionized public sector workers will get, yet increase expenditures in other areas. The public will NOT pay more taxes to support people who most believe are a greedy and last set of bureaucratic whiners. So where is the money going to come from? SHRINKING the employee base!
Of course because you hate West Indians you didn't add that most of the violence is actually in Williamsbridge and around Edenwald. In any case crime is down.
You are being highly dishonest, ignorant, or both if you equate Wakefield with ENY.
Gun Hill Road? With that name sounds like area has a long history of violence. One that isn't recent.
And Gun Hill Rd isn't part of Wakefield. Blame the NYCHA projects located right there.
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