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In gentrified neighborhoods people live in very different worlds. They may know each other, and say hello, but they keep their distance. Not that different from the more diverse suburbs. I have seen the very stiff encounters defined by the PC need to quickly acknowledge, politely chat and then move on.
Go to Fort Greene, look at the bars and restaurants and note that most groups are very monoracial even if the overall clientele is mixed. Yes one might find a group of 5 whites and ONE black. More rarely 5 blacks and ONE white. But a group with 50:50 where no one has to give "cultural" ground. Not usual. It is indeed a fact that most black professionals are more comfortable crossing boundaries because they must in their day to day careers, starting from school. Outside of entertainment whites have less experience with this.
Indeed while we speak Madison Ave is under govt inquiry to determine why the lack of diversity given the available pool of suitable candidates. This is a very liberal industry I am sure.
NYC is not post racial and people really need to stop with that talk. Yes we no longer freak out when we run into each other as we did 20 years ago, and most embrace the language of diveristy in an intellectual sense, even though they have yet to embrace it in terms of being willing to enter the worlds of others. When we encounter each other its a careful dance most of the time.........each careful not to cause offense.
Most people still populate worlds dominated by their "own kind", and where others arrive as "tourists", and so must fit into the norms of the group. Note that I am talking about people who are within similar educational, occupational, and maybe income brackets. So please none of this nonsensical comparison of yuppies and gang bangers.
Go check out the offices of most SMALL professional service firms where hiring decisions usually occur within the social networks of the owners or senior employees.
The OP is not very different from most. He is just not PC enough to realize that he must hide his views. I assume the longer he stays in NYC the more he will understand that he should so that we can all maintain the pretense of post-racialism.
Never said NYC was post racial. I said some white people in NYC are post racial. Big difference.
Never said NYC was post racial. I said some white people in NYC are post racial. Big difference.
True some are post racial. But is the norm for blacks and whites, who are the two most polarized groups? Until it becomes the norm talk of a post racial world remains a goal, not an actuality.
What this says is that ethnicity is playing a declining role for people who share a common "racial" category. This is true.
Is it as true BETWEEN these racial groups? I see Asian Americans fully integrating with whites...Less of that between other groups.
I see the Asian people, especially immigrants as being the most afraid of Hispanics and Blacks and more distainful of their lower income culture. The media acts like if you are an immigrant you are post racial, but I find the opposite.
Go to Fort Greene, look at the bars and restaurants and note that most groups are very monoracial even if the overall clientele is mixed. Yes one might find a group of 5 whites and ONE black. More rarely 5 blacks and ONE white. But a group with 50:50 where no one has to give "cultural" ground. Not usual. It is indeed a fact that most black professionals are more comfortable crossing boundaries because they must in their day to day careers, starting from school. Outside of entertainment whites have less experience with this.
Completely disagree. We have friends in Fort Greene and we have actually just begun to consider moving there.
The best thing ? No presence of ghetto culture, which we cannot stand and do not want for a family environment. Whereas in Harlem you need only walk a block. And even on your own "decent" block, you will need to make sure that the super is out there 24/7 cleaning up the garbage and litter left by the anti-socials.
Blacks and whites do not always have different "cultural grounds." That is your mistake.
Completely disagree. We have friends in Fort Greene and we have actually just begun to consider moving there.
The best thing ? No presence of ghetto culture, which we cannot stand and do not want for a family environment. Whereas in Harlem you need only walk a block. And even on your own "decent" block, you will need to make sure that the super is out there 24/7 cleaning up the garbage and litter left by the anti-socials.
Blacks and whites do not always have different "cultural grounds." That is your mistake.
I often wonder why black=ghetto. So if one speaks of black vs white it becomes ghetto vs white.
I know people in Ft Greene and I hear what they say. These are HOME OWNERS and landlords.
As to middle class blacks and middle class whites occupying the same "cultural" space. Certainly fooled me given the relatively little interaction between the two groups in NYC. Typical party, mostly of one group, a sprinkling of the other....folks walking an egg shells not saying some of the things that they might say when they are the majority group for fear of offending.
You might live in a perfectly integrated world with 30;30;30;10 black/white/hispanic/asian friends.
Most assuredly in NYC most dont and this includes the middle class.
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