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Old 12-22-2013, 04:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by HubCityMadMan View Post
I have been going to Woodbridge Center my entire life and ... since that shoplifter made trouble there last year, and was shot and killed in front of Sears by security, the mall has been looking as nice as ever.
It was an off-duty police officer, not security:
Shooting at Woodbridge Center mall: Alleged shoplifter shot, killed by police; customers run for cover | NJ.com
Of course, no good deed goes unpunished, especially when it's the police:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...int_in_wo.html
Funniest part of this ridiculous claim is the typo by the S-L, saying that the woman is "dramatized from this incident, according to the tort claim notice".

 
Old 12-22-2013, 04:52 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I don't have a link or update. Just something a Newark cop told me. He said they found the Subaru and a person connected to it who was being interrogated. As I said, take it for what it's worth.
Funny thing is, he said "suburban" and I corrected him and told him it was a Subaru.
He was right all along.
 
Old 12-22-2013, 05:44 AM
 
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this argument is made, yet there's plenty of theft in states with CCW. and again...if the gun is pointed at you, having a gun under your coat isn't gonna do you much good.
Have any of the CCW holders here, ever posted about how they thwarted an armed robbery, or other violent crime in progress, by drawing down on a gunman?
Because, it might not work: Sheriff's investigator killed in Bellwood - chicagotribune.com
IIRC, in the past year or two, more Newark police officers have been shot & killed off-duty, during crimes in progress, than while on-duty. I know that one shot a carjacker last week (well done, BTW), but AFAIK, that robber was unarmed.
 
Old 12-22-2013, 09:18 AM
 
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Funny thing is, he said "suburban" and I corrected him and told him it was a Subaru. He was right all along.
What a bunch of idiots! Use the car of one of their mommas?
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Usually, the car driven out to the suburbs is stolen, as well.
I stand corrected.
Short Hills mall shooting: Discovery of suspect's mother's car led police to carjackers | NJ.com
Now, the Ledger won't allow any comments, at all!

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Old 12-22-2013, 09:29 AM
 
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Have any of the CCW holders here, ever posted about how they thwarted an armed robbery, or other violent crime in progress, by drawing down on a gunman?
Because, it might not work: Sheriff's investigator killed in Bellwood - chicagotribune.com
IIRC, in the past year or two, more Newark police officers have been shot & killed off-duty, during crimes in progress, than while on-duty. I know that one shot a carjacker last week (well done, BTW), but AFAIK, that robber was unarmed.
CCW has also worked to a victim's advantage many, many times.

The "American Rifleman" magazine has a monthly column ("The Armed Citizen") that reprints newspaper articles, 1/2 dozen or so at a time, where a law abiding citizen has used a firearm to protect themselves and/or loved ones.

That column has been if effect for many years.

The DOJ or FBI also has that data if you're honestly interested.
 
Old 12-22-2013, 09:48 AM
 
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The "American Rifleman" magazine has a monthly column ("The Armed Citizen") that reprints newspaper articles, 1/2 dozen or so at a time, where a law abiding citizen has used a firearm to protect themselves and/or loved ones. That column has been if effect for many years.
Used to read it regularly, in my youth, when my father was an NRA member. I liked the wildlife covers better. Now, it's a blog.
American Rifleman - The Armed Citizen® Blog
BTW, most of the articles involve defense of home or business, not CCW. Almost anyone in NJ can purchase a handgun to defend either. Very few get carry permits.
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The DOJ or FBI also has that data if you're honestly interested.
Link?
 
Old 12-22-2013, 11:21 AM
 
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It was an off-duty police officer, not security:
Shooting at Woodbridge Center mall: Alleged shoplifter shot, killed by police; customers run for cover | NJ.com
Of course, no good deed goes unpunished, especially when it's the police:
Woman held at knifepoint in Woodbridge Center Mall plans to sue township for $5M | NJ.com
Funniest part of this ridiculous claim is the typo by the S-L, saying that the woman is "dramatized from this incident, according to the tort claim notice".
Off duty police officer "working a security detail". And then they sue the township after suffering post-traumatic stress syndrome. Any way to find a good reason to start a lawsuit to get money. So stupid.

What else was the officer supposed to do?
 
Old 12-22-2013, 12:22 PM
 
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What else was the officer supposed to do?
Probably let the thug stab her, in which case, she still would have sued!
 
Old 12-23-2013, 09:54 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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being in the better position doesnt mean "fighting back." once again, you are making stuff up to fit into your own argument. being in a better position would mean having a gun on me so that i have the option to fight back. i may choose not to use that option depending on the circumstances; but without the gun i never have that option.
ok, but that's not the story many have said in the past, including yourself on other threads. i'm not making stuff up to fit my argument. the statistics are widely available for what happens. i'm a big fan of going where the odds are. maybe that's just me though.
 
Old 12-23-2013, 09:57 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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CCW has also worked to a victim's advantage many, many times.

The "American Rifleman" magazine has a monthly column ("The Armed Citizen") that reprints newspaper articles, 1/2 dozen or so at a time, where a law abiding citizen has used a firearm to protect themselves and/or loved ones.

That column has been if effect for many years.

The DOJ or FBI also has that data if you're honestly interested.
i'm familiar with it. yes, people have been successful. it's just that most people aren't. the stats support not introducing a second gun. some people don't like to go based on the stats and will take their chances, believing that they shouldn't "go down without a fight". i can understand that...who wants to leave their fate to someone else, if they have a perception that the gun on their person can help them overcome and not be one of those stats?
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