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i work in brooklyn and its my understanding that the employees with kids dont have a bus picking up their kids. so im not sure who is fortunate enough to get the bus service and why them while not others.
oh i remember hearing this morning that its bus drivers and "matrons" on strike. i believe "matrons" are some kind of requirement now. id imagine they would be the first to go in any cost cutting initiative.
It may have something to do with the distance the school is from the home. While I was growing up in Ridgefield, NJ you had to live a certain distance from the school in order to for a bus to transport the children. I walked to and from school, about 1 mile, everyday for most of my life. Never had the option of a bus but it's a fairly small town and at that time had several public elementary schools so most people lived close to one of them. The middle school and high school are located in a fairly central area as well so it may be distance that some districts still use. Just a guess though.
Keep those personal attacks coming boys! Maybe you are unable to defend your philosophy? Of course, first you have decide what your philosophy is. And if that philosophy includes collectivism and redistributionism and worship of the least in all of us, then I guess I can see why the personal attack option seems best. I would not like to be arguing your side either.
Nonetheless, I advocate for freedom and I argue for a system that supports and demands the best in everyone. Why? Because time is very short and being competent and diligent and always getting better and becoming more effective is the best way to live. And it makes for the best society and will keep America kicking the rest of the world's ass.
That is where I want to live. Not in a country of whining, snivelling, collectivist thieves whose lives amount to a primal scream to the universe at large: "Why do I have to do anything?! Others should just provide it to me!"
It would be less offensive if you stated "Keep those personal attacks coming "people" as opposed to "boys". BTW, I have never been a slacker. No one has to provide for me. I have worked very hard and paid taxes since my first job during my teen years. We all have a responsibility to care for each other in this world. Ayn Rand is not my god.
Not to fear. There's still some good ol' Merican ingenuity going on out there:
When a routine security check by a US-based company showed someone was repeatedly logging on to their computer system from China, it naturally sent alarm bells ringing. Hackers were suspected and telecoms experts were called in.
It was only after a thorough investigation that it was revealed that the culprit was not a hacker, but "Bob" (not his real name), an "inoffensive and quiet" family man and the company's top-performing programmer, who could be seen toiling at his desk day after day and staring diligently at his monitor.
For Bob had come up with the idea of outsourcing his own job – to China. So, while a Chinese consulting firm got on with the job he was paid to do, on less than one-fifth of his salary, he whiled away his working day surfing Reddit, eBay and Facebook.
...When the company checked his web-browsing history, a typical "work day" for Bob was: 9am, arrive and surf Reddit for a couple of hours, watch cat videos; 11.30am, take lunch; 1pm, eBay; 2pm-ish, Facebook updates, LinkedIn; 4.40pm–end of day, update email to management; 5pm, go home.
The evidence, said Valentine, even suggested he had the same scam going across multiple companies in the area.
"All told, it looked like he earned several hundred thousand dollars a year, and only had to pay the Chinese consulting firm about fifty grand annually".
Meanwhile, his performance review showed that, for several years in a row, Bob had received excellent remarks for his codes which were "clean, well written and submitted in a timely fashion".
"Quarter after quarter, his performance review noted him as the best developer in the building," wrote Valentine.
It would be less offensive if you stated "Keep those personal attacks coming "people" as opposed to "boys". BTW, I have never been a slacker. No one has to provide for me. I have worked very hard and paid taxes since my first job during my teen years. We all have a responsibility to care for each other in this world. Ayn Rand is not my god.
Congratulations on the hard work. However your statement that we have a "responsibility" to care for "each other" is an incorrect opinion. As such it is neither good nor evil, just a statement by you declaring how you think others should live. And as long as that is your personal credo, and you live by it in your own life, all is well. However, when you seek to convert that opinion into tyranny using mechanisms of socialism and redistributionism (legalized theft), all bets are off.
We are NOT our brother's keeper. We are NOT born into slavery. We do NOT have a duty or obligation to give our time or treasure to others simply because they decide they need it. We can choose to do that, individually, if we wish, in a free society. And many people enjoy doing something like that. They get a payoff by helping others and I have no problem with it. I even partake myself from time to time, as helping others is often fun. And there is always a payoff. There is no selflessness. Nor should there be. The emotional payoff from helping someone less fortunate is natural and good. But only when the account it is drawn on is borne of free will.
But if you decide that it is peachy for you to take from one to give to another against his will, you have crossed the line between good and evil. You have crossed the line from freedom to tyranny. You have crossed the line from virtue to moral bankruptcy.
But who will help the poor in a free society? The answer is: In a free society, those who want to help the poor will not be stopped.
Freedom allows all to adopt a personal philosophy and live it to the max. Without victims. Without compulsion. Using only rational persuasion to appeal to Reason and bring others to the cause. THAT is the America I want to live in. Where, if you need help, you ask for it, not demand it or force it using the controlled violence that is ensconced in the police power of the state.
It would be less offensive if you stated "Keep those personal attacks coming "people" as opposed to "boys". BTW, I have never been a slacker. No one has to provide for me. I have worked very hard and paid taxes since my first job during my teen years. We all have a responsibility to care for each other in this world. Ayn Rand is not my god.
You'll notice there are several people here, Maryanne, with highly inflated opinions of their self worth who continually criticize others based on their invalid perceptions of everyone but themselves as "slackers" who are "sitting on their a**es" while they as our heroes courageously carry the rest of us on their broad shoulders.
Not to fear. There's still some good ol' Merican ingenuity going on out there:
When a routine security check by a US-based company showed someone was repeatedly logging on to their computer system from China, it naturally sent alarm bells ringing. Hackers were suspected and telecoms experts were called in.
It was only after a thorough investigation that it was revealed that the culprit was not a hacker, but "Bob" (not his real name), an "inoffensive and quiet" family man and the company's top-performing programmer, who could be seen toiling at his desk day after day and staring diligently at his monitor.
For Bob had come up with the idea of outsourcing his own job – to China. So, while a Chinese consulting firm got on with the job he was paid to do, on less than one-fifth of his salary, he whiled away his working day surfing Reddit, eBay and Facebook.
...When the company checked his web-browsing history, a typical "work day" for Bob was: 9am, arrive and surf Reddit for a couple of hours, watch cat videos; 11.30am, take lunch; 1pm, eBay; 2pm-ish, Facebook updates, LinkedIn; 4.40pm–end of day, update email to management; 5pm, go home.
The evidence, said Valentine, even suggested he had the same scam going across multiple companies in the area.
"All told, it looked like he earned several hundred thousand dollars a year, and only had to pay the Chinese consulting firm about fifty grand annually".
Meanwhile, his performance review showed that, for several years in a row, Bob had received excellent remarks for his codes which were "clean, well written and submitted in a timely fashion".
"Quarter after quarter, his performance review noted him as the best developer in the building," wrote Valentine.
The company later revealed his real name was Mitt Romney.
"Bob" would have gotten a promotion and a big bonus at Bain Capital and many other vulture capitalist firms who reward their employees for such "creative" thinking.
So we agree. You've seen lesser people move up while better people were fired or passed over. And you think that is bad and unjust. Perfect. You just joined my team. On my team, we believe that the good people should move up and the bad should be fired or passed over.
So on my team we advocate a philosophy that will lead to the result we both want.
You're missing the point, Marc. You claimed that performance is all one needs to be secure and succeed in their job. But now you admit people who perform better than others are passed over and fired.
It happens in real life because all those other employers aren't on your team, and that's why the "at will" work environment isn't always fair.
You'll notice there are several people here, Maryanne, with highly inflated opinions of their self worth who continually criticize others based on their invalid perceptions of everyone but themselves as "slackers" who are "sitting on their a**es" while they as our heroes courageously carry the rest of us on their broad shoulders.
"Heroes courageously carrying the rest of the world on their broad shoulders." Hmmm. That has a nice ring to it. I guess in this context someone doing that would be considered an intellectual ... ... superhero. Hmmm. That has a nice ring to it too. I never thought of myself in that way, but, shucks, I guess I'm up for it. It's going to be a little creepy showing homes in a cape. Let me sleep on it.
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I'm retired after working multiple jobs for many years to achieve the level of security in retirement I'm enjoying.
Congratulations. Among those jobs that you held, assuming they were all in NJ, were you not employed "at will"? If you were, then you managed to navigate that environment quite well, as do the vast majority of people. I have worked for the past 17 years, always "at will" and have never felt that I was wronged or mistreated because of that status.
In your view, since "job security" is hyper critical and "at will" undermines that, what protections would you like to see put in place?
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You'll notice there are several people here, Maryanne, with highly inflated opinions of their self worth who continually criticize others based on their invalid perceptions of everyone but themselves as "slackers" who are "sitting on their a**es" while they as our heroes courageously carry the rest of us on their broad shoulders.
Some certainly have that attitude. I am wondering though exactly what any of the sidebar has to do with NYC bus drivers? Looking at that situation, what is your opinion? Should the city include what has been ruled an illegal provision in their RFP to essentially break the RFP process and provide greater job security to the bus drivers?
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"Bob" (not his real name)
The company later revealed his real name was Mitt Romney.
"Bob" would have gotten a promotion and a big bonus at Bain Capital and many other vulture capitalist firms who reward their employees for such "creative" thinking.
I think "Bob" is an excellent example of independent thinking. I am sure in another environment he would have been hailed for his innovative thinking. It does raise the question though...if Bob's job can be done at 1/5th the price and with apparently more then acceptable quality, why employee Bob in that job? Should the company continue to employ Bob solely because Bob needs a job?
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You're missing the point, Marc. You claimed that performance is all one needs to be secure and succeed in their job. But now you admit people who perform better than others are passed over and fired.
It happens in real life because all those other employers aren't on your team, and that's why the "at will" work environment isn't always fair.
Always fair, no. Status quo, yes. Again, what sort of system would you propose to protect workers from being "at will".
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