Take a bat to em. Christie (Newark, Union: top school, zip code, cost)
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Taxation is not theft. It serves a useful purpose and it has been going on for centuries in just about every civilized society you can name. You can argue on the level of taxation but to frame the argument as "robbing from the rich to give to the poor" as some do is just plain baloney. Poor people get screwed by sales taxes but but we don't hear them bitching about it nearly as much as our vaunted "1%"
Any tax that is not voluntary is a form of theft. Its purpose is irrelevant. Its rationale is irrelevant. Whether it does "good" or not is irrelevant. The basic act of involuntary taxation is an act of theft. When you start with a rotten premise, all further construction upon that rotten premise is logically unsound.
Now can we just switch to a system of voluntary taxation overnight? Of course not. First, we, as a people, have to evolve and become better. Much better. We are actually not qualified for an advancement of this scope. We are still locked into the altruist-collectivist philosophy of the past. We still believe that man is basically greedy and evil instead of innately generous and good. We still believe in duty as opposed to freedom. We still have a basically "religious" view of existence, and are hobbled by mysticism and poor intellectual training. Most of us do not think critically enough to even understand freedom and why it is an irreducible moral primary. A primary without which nothing else really matters.
Unfortunately this is an inappropriate forum for purely philosophical discussion. It's just too off topic, so I will leave it where it is. To assert here that everything most people are taught from the time they are born is essentially wrong and completely backwards will only inflame those who argue by bromide and arbitrary pronouncement. The debate will transmogrify into a flame war and what purpose would that serve, except to waste valuable time?
Here is a classic video of Harry Reid trying to explain how taxation is "voluntary", and doing his best political doublespeak to justify his assertion. If I said he falls short, that would be an understatement. I know this video has already made the rounds around the Internet, but in case there are some who havent seen it, here it is: "Taxation Is Voluntary". - Harry Reid
He's fired a few commissioners. Hasn't dropped anyone's taxes but the rich. I guess that's "getting stuff done."
No, but he's trying to deal with the 7 headed demonic beast known as the NJEA. They're bleeding this state dry and making the teachers look bad. If the NJEA took his initial proposed cuts, we wouldn't have noticed a thing. The problem with a lot of unions is that they are not willing to take on for the team once in a while to ensure the perpetuation of their industry. This causes their industry to either leave or collapse because it cannot afford to operate at the costs they are asking for. Here in NJ, it's collapsing. We can no longer afford to pay for education the way we are. The abbot districts do not work (I live in one) and the benefits that they receive are archaic. The system needs to be changed, so that it is one that we can afford. What we really need to do, is throw the NJEA out and consolidate school districts (as well as other things). We DO NOT need 600 some school districts for our state.
jknic- the governor has not proposed any of what you say needs to be done. The NJEA can not stop consolidation. The fact is that the governors statement that if unions accepted his cuts there would be no layoffs was proven false.
I trust CC's judgement, honest mistakes and word far sooner than anything the NJEA has to say.
No support by the NJEA for teacher performance evaluations. Why?
Performance evaluations for teachers cannot coexist with tenure.
Tenure proposes that a good teacher is direstly equivalent to years on the job, in that respect it diminishes the teaching profession making it comparable to a widget assembly line worker.
The NJEA cannot accept performance evaluations as it would contradict tenure. Dumping a high performer to save a low performer because the low performer has more years than the high performer would make performance evaluations irrelevant and an embarassment to difficult to rationalize in the light of day.
The NJEA conscripts members and their money to spend without consent.
7million $$ to prevent CC form getting elected. How many teachers voted for CC while the money stolen from them in the guise of membership dues went to mitigate their votes. Who thinks that is a good policy?
The NJEA believes likewise in another infinite linear relationship that exists between money spent and quality education. Really? Aside from support from some hack NJ judges. There is no demonsted evidence more money buys a better education. the point of diminishing returns has been left in the dust of NJ taxpayer money.
Who would believe anything these closet socialists have to say?
If you don't see anything wrong with this picture you probably enjoyed the yellow and red lights the empire state building lit up to celebrate the 60th anniversary of communist China. The Mao Christmas tree ornament hung on the whitehouse tree made the cockles of your heart burst with joy.
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I trust CC's judgement, honest mistakes and word far sooner than anything the NJEA has to say.
No support by the NJEA for teacher performance evaluations. Why?
Performance evaluations for teachers cannot coexist with tenure.
Tenure proposes that a good teacher is direstly equivalent to years on the job, in that respect it diminishes the teaching profession making it comparable to a widget assembly line worker.
The NJEA cannot accept performance evaluations as it would contradict tenure. Dumping a high performer to save a low performer because the low performer has more years than the high performer would make performance evaluations irrelevant and an embarassment to difficult to rationalize in the light of day.
The NJEA conscripts members and their money to spend without consent.
7million $$ to prevent CC form getting elected. How many teachers voted for CC while the money stolen from them in the guise of membership dues went to mitigate their votes. Who thinks that is a good policy?
The NJEA believes likewise in another infinite linear relationship that exists between money spent and quality education. Really? Aside from support from some hack NJ judges. There is no demonsted evidence more money buys a better education. the point of diminishing returns has been left in the dust of NJ taxpayer money.
Who would believe anything these closet socialists have to say?
If you don't see anything wrong with this picture you probably enjoyed the yellow and red lights the empire state building lit up to celebrate the 60th anniversary of communist China. The Mao Christmas tree ornament hung on the whitehouse tree made the cockles of your heart burst with joy.
CC vs NJEA, I'll take CC every time.
Teachers in NC are not unionized. They get tenure. Tenure is not tied to unions.
NJ teachers have been evaluated for decades. Chris Christie's new & improved method ties in testing, giving it more weight than observations, which the teachers get every year, anyway. NJEA is opposed to tying raises to this because some teachers work is not tested or cannot be fairly tested. Special ed teachers would fail to get raises in the new & improved system because the kids can not pass those tests. How would art or music teachers get a raise when the material is not tested.
Teachers in NC are not unionized. They get tenure. Tenure is not tied to unions.
NJ teachers have been evaluated for decades. Chris Christie's new & improved method ties in testing, giving it more weight than observations, which the teachers get every year, anyway. NJEA is opposed to tying raises to this because some teachers work is not tested or cannot be fairly tested. Special ed teachers would fail to get raises in the new & improved system because the kids can not pass those tests. How would art or music teachers get a raise when the material is not tested.
You've got to stop making sense, southbound.
That will get you nowhere in this forum!
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You've got to stop making sense, southbound.
That will get you nowhere in this forum!
Thanks, no problem. Why these people continue to harp on tenure is beyond me. I repeatedly cited NC, & they can easily verify that. Tenure was around before the unions.
Teachers in NC are not unionized. They get tenure. Tenure is not tied to unions.
NJ teachers have been evaluated for decades. Chris Christie's new & improved method ties in testing, giving it more weight than observations, which the teachers get every year, anyway. NJEA is opposed to tying raises to this because some teachers work is not tested or cannot be fairly tested. Special ed teachers would fail to get raises in the new & improved system because the kids can not pass those tests. How would art or music teachers get a raise when the material is not tested.
Tenure is basically a welfare program that needs to be repealed. Nobody should be insulated from judgement based on current performance. All performance can be tested and evaluated.
Union seniority and tenure are very similar in that both reward mediocrity and time of service instead of performance. And both should be consigned to the scrap heap of misguided collectivist history.
How would you protect teachers from political firings?
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