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Old 05-11-2018, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Sounds like a good read, can you post the article you are referring to?
Thanks.
The “French versus Irish section.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cath...urch_in_Canada
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Old 05-11-2018, 03:36 PM
 
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Good read and a returned favor on good reading =
A Failed Enterprise: The French Colonial Period in*Mississippi | Mississippi History Now
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Old 05-11-2018, 03:39 PM
 
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Seriously people calm down.

I live in Montreal now (Plateau-Mont-Royal) and can only confirm that French is live and well. Sure you have some individuals speaking English sporadically here and there, but make no mistake that the predominant, over-arching language of the day is French and French only. People would only speak English to you as an accommodation if you are pure anglophone, otherwise the preferred language is French in Montreal.

This whole thread reminds me of an earlier Parti Quebecois attempt to rile up their base (LOOK we now have 69% of French speakers in [insert middle of nowhere town] vs. 70.5% 10 years ago.... so let's all panic). Like, seriously, get a grip. In the case of PQ, that was a nothing but a vote splitting strategy to rile up their base before this year's provincial election, because we all know that PQ has not been able to come up any substantial policies on the economy, environment, public transit, technology/cloud computing/AI/innovation/digital economy - you know, things that actually matter in 2018.

And disclaimer - I support French language usage 100% throughout Quebec, because it's what makes Quebec - and Canada - unique in terms of its history and cultural identity which is deeply rooted in the French language.
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Old 05-11-2018, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Seriously people calm down.

I live in Montreal now (Plateau-Mont-Royal) and can only confirm that French is live and well. Sure you have some individuals speaking English sporadically here and there, but make no mistake that the predominant, over-arching language of the day is French and French only. People would only speak English to you as an accommodation if you are pure anglophone, otherwise the preferred language is French in Montreal.

This whole thread reminds me of an earlier Parti Quebecois attempt to rile up their base (LOOK we now have 69% of French speakers in [insert middle of nowhere town] vs. 70.5% 10 years ago.... so let's all panic). Like, seriously, get a grip. In the case of PQ, that was a nothing but a vote splitting strategy to rile up their base before this year's provincial election, because we all know that PQ has not been able to come up any substantial policies on the economy, environment, public transit, technology/cloud computing/AI/innovation/digital economy - you know, things that actually matter in 2018.

And disclaimer - I support French language usage 100% throughout Quebec, because it's what makes Quebec - and Canada - unique in terms of its history and cultural identity which is deeply rooted in the French language.
Oh speaking of the devil and making a counterpoint to QC Opec. Good job buddy and welcome back. Hope you had a smooth move
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Old 05-12-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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People of French Canadian descent were a minority in 19th- and 20th-century New England. They could never make it a Francophone nation by numbers. Paul Lepage, Maine’s current governor, grew up speaking French.
Actually, there was a bilingual French-English nation in northernmost New England:

"The Republic of Madawaska (French: République du Madawaska) was a putative republic in the northwest corner of Madawaska County, New Brunswick (also known as the "New Brunswick Panhandle") and adjacent areas of Aroostook County in the US State of Maine and of Quebec.
The origins of the unorganized republic lie in the Treaty of Paris (1783), which established the border between the United States of America and the British North American colonies. As with several other disputed areas along the imprecisely defined border, the Madawaska area and the larger region of overlap between Maine and New Brunswick remained in dispute until 1842."

The North of New Englang had a French majority, since the overwhelming population was centered in the South and was English, the majority of all of New England was clearly English. The borders were not finite back then and subject to many changes. The French-Americans could have formed a state on their own. The state could have been called "Acadia":

"Acadia (French: Acadie) was a colony of New France in northeastern North America that included parts of eastern Quebec, the Maritime provinces, and modern-day Maine to the Kennebec River.[1] The actual specification by the French government for the territory refers to lands bordering the Atlantic coast, roughly between the 40th and 46th parallels. Later, the territory was divided into the British colonies that became Canadian provinces and American states. The population of Acadia included members of the Wabanaki Confederacy and descendants of emigrants from France (i.e., Acadians)."



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I live in Montreal now (Plateau-Mont-Royal) and can only confirm that French is live and well. Sure you have some individuals speaking English sporadically here and there, but make no mistake that the predominant, over-arching language of the day is French and French only. People would only speak English to you as an accommodation if you are pure anglophone, otherwise the preferred language is French in Montreal.
Yeah you live in Plateau Mont Royal which is 64% native French, while the city of Montréal is 53% and city-centre Ville-Marie is only 50%, so there are some arrondissements that are +10% above Montréal's average, so are some arrondissements that are -10% below it! You get the migrants from France, lucky you! 27% of all migrants in Plateau are from France. You get to hear pure metropolitan French. It is migration from France that prevents French from deterioraiting in Plateau and makes French doing so well there. I wish the rest of Montréal would also get such a boost from France. You can be lucky to be in Plateau, it's where all the young francophones wanna be and the best French is spoken.


http://ville.montreal.qc.ca/pls/port...YAL%202016.PDF


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Oh speaking of the devil and making a counterpoint to QC Opec. Good job buddy and welcome back. Hope you had a smooth move
Sounds like he's some kind of legend here?!
Plateau Mont Royal is indeed fairly French and French is even moderately increasing there (+0,64% native speakers between 2011 and 2016), the rise of French there however is masking the decrease of French in other arrondissements. So thank you to France for making a part of Montréal more French, please do it with the rest, too.
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Old 05-12-2018, 11:05 AM
 
Location: New England
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Problem with the French is they have this perpetual victim mentality as can be seen in the topics title, those poor French people subjected to eternal suppression and domination by those dastardly English overlords and now in what remains of the French in North America is a culture propped up by draconian language laws and language police to enforce those laws.
On a side note Mouldy what would be your response if a government informed you that English would no longer be tolerated and you were forced to speak another language.?

I sometimes think that "Je me souviens" on a Quebec license plate translates best as "I hold a grudge".
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Old 05-12-2018, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Sounds like he's some kind of legend here?!
Plateau Mont Royal is indeed fairly French and French is even moderately increasing there (+0,64% native speakers between 2011 and 2016), the rise of French there however is masking the decrease of French in other arrondissements. So thank you to France for making a part of Montréal more French, please do it with the rest, too.
lol that's funny - calling one self a legend - no problems there

Anyway we in English Canada aren't so rabid about language protection but it is a different environment than in Quebec so I get it. Y'all are 8.5 million in a sea of 100's of millions of Anglo dominance on the continent. You're worried that that 8.5 million will be fractured/split and lose influence and control in that bubble. I got it! The U.S even though demographically changing is still an anglo country and Canada majority anglo - there is a lot more depth there to absorb others and not feel as though the end is nigh. Do what ya gotta do but the moment you start trying to dictate what we got to do on your own terms is when problems will arise.
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Old 05-12-2018, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Heh heh. I am heading back to Montreal in a couple of weeks to take advantage of a long weekend and the City's free museums day. I shall make some sharp observations into how much English is being used in both speaking and writing. And no I don't plan on sticking around tourist areas only (I never do in my travels and those who have read my travel reviews in this forum know this already). I hope to visit Laval, which I have never been to before and maybe Brossard too. If I encounter many instances of people not knowing how to speak English or speaking English with a thick French accent as well as signage only in French, then QuebecOpec can rest and relax. Montreal will forever remain uniquely French Canadian.
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Old 05-12-2018, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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lol that's funny - calling one self a legend - no problems there
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You really think QuebecOpec is bokstonkid in disguise????

QuebecOpec ia good in English but there are some subtle gallicisms in his writing that to me make it obvious he is not bostonkid.
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Old 05-12-2018, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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You really think QuebecOpec is bokstonkid in disguise????

QuebecOpec ia good in English but there are some subtle gallicisms in his writing that to me make it obvious he is not bostonkid.
maybe
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