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Old 05-01-2019, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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A couple of friends and I were talking about this last night. We've all retired from mental health backgrounds and all of us had thought there were previous issues that had been overlooked in the city's haste to add Somalian representatives to the department.

The goal is a reasonable and fair one but when it comes to humans and their personal frailties diversity cannot be forced upon people regardless of a perceived need. Warranted or not, people need time to assimilate and cannot do that by the will of government.

To expect people from war-torn countries to be free from serious issues such as PTSD and to be able to adjust in one generation to a First World country completely discounts their historical emotional baggage. It's probably more realistically a generational task.

These are the kinds of costly errors that happen to real people's lives when government runs by quotas rather than treating each person as an individual rather than statistically valuable.

Local government really must take pause and consider that improved mental health efforts means seeing people as individuals not as pawns in a political game.

People don't look at what these Somali kids grew up with. You don't think this influenced his "split second decision".....................Regardless I hope he gets gen pop in Stillwater not some kush cell in Togo..........

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Old 05-01-2019, 08:25 AM
 
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As a former LEO I'm sure he'll be in Oak Park Heights, not in general population. Just a guess though.
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Old 05-01-2019, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Southern MN
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People don't look at what these Somali kids grew up with. You don't think this influenced his "split second decision"/


One of the friends I was talking to told me she took a Somalian she was working with to an outdoor concert. The last song that was played was going to be Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" which is accompanied with cannons. She prepared the young woman ahead of time and asked her if she thought that would be something that would be manageable.

Yet when the cannons went off the woman nearly jumped into my friend's arms, sobbing and shaking. My friend felt terrible.

Perhaps only our war veterans have an understanding of the depth of trauma carried unsuspected. That kind of thing causes unpredictable behavior even for the person who thinks they have it managed.
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Old 05-01-2019, 12:13 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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People don't look at what these Somali kids grew up with. You don't think this influenced his "split second decision".....................Regardless I hope he gets gen pop in Stillwater not some kush cell in Togo..........
The issue is whether his "split second decision" was partially motivated by his beliefs on women being outside unaccompanied.
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Old 06-07-2019, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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12.5 yrs ....... Kind of light to me......

https://www.twincities.com/2019/06/0...inneapolis-mn/
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Old 06-07-2019, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities
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12.5 yrs ....... Kind of light to me......

https://www.twincities.com/2019/06/0...inneapolis-mn/
Actually, it’s right in line with Minnesota’s presumptive sentencing guidelines for 3rd degree murder.
http://mn.gov/msgc-stat/documents/Ne...andardGrid.pdf
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Old 06-07-2019, 12:20 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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12.5 yrs ....... Kind of light to me......

https://www.twincities.com/2019/06/0...inneapolis-mn/
A mitigating factor is that he did it for deeply religious reasons.
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Old 06-07-2019, 03:09 PM
 
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He will serve about 8 years total with good time.
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Old 06-07-2019, 04:17 PM
 
Location: North America
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You beat my to it. Hopefully the Judge doesn't reject the verdict or he isn't freed on appeal. Both are likely in the People's Republic of Minneapolis.
It's time to revisit this load of incoherent nonsense.

Frankly, I'm impressed at the level of delusion that was required to think that it was, to quote you, likely that the judge would reject the verdict. But let's just pause and think about this for a moment. Never before in the history of Minnesota has a law enforcement officer been convicted of an on-duty killing. Now, I realize that the lickspittle authority stooges are naive enough to think that every single* killing by a Minnesota LEO was justified. But that speaks to nothing but their own fawning obsequiousness to anyone wearing a uniform. Yet, somehow, people such as yourself are upset at... what again? Let me repeat: never before this case has a Minnesota LEO been held accountable for an on-duty killing. Oh, now I remember! You're upset that this verdict was likely to be rejected! Except it wasn't rejected. And that was never likely. You have to invent something to be upset over.
* - Excluding, of course, the single instance in state history of a brown LEO killing a white person.

On a national scale, since 2005 thru March of this year, precisely 98 nonfederal LEOs were charged with a crime related to an on-duty killing. This is from ~1000 such killings annually (there were 986 in 2017, including that of Justine Diamond by Noor), so the total from that period far exceeds 10,000. How many were ever convicted of a crime? 35. That's right, barely a third. And those include lesser charges other than murder, and also include convictions that were later overturned. In this article are links to the data:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/...t-rule-n982741

In other words, right now Minnesota is way ahead of the curve in charging Noor, convicting Noor, and sentencing him appropriately. But, again, you're bent out of shape over... well, things you make up. Because you have no actual reality to be upset over, and you really want to be upset over something.

Moving on, we see that the sentence is right on par with the crime. Twelve and a half years is the recommended sentence under state sentencing guidelines. So not only did your delusional fantasy of a set-aside verdict not come true, but there was no leniency on the part of this judge. But wait. This may be a typical sentence, but that is only for all sentences as a whole. When LEOs are (very rarely) sentenced, leniency is the norm. CPD office Jason Van Dyke shot a young black man who was walking away from him. He shot him nine times. In the back. Some while the man was laying on the ground, face down. Other officers on the scene reported there was no need for the use of force. None of them fired their own weapons. Van Dyke got a mere eight and a half years.
https://theappeal.org/chicago-cops-s...ionally-short/

Culpeper, West Virginia, office Daniel Harmon-Wright fired five shots into Patricia Ann Cook's vehicle as she drove away, murdering her. One went into the back of her head. Another severed her spine. He served 36 months. Jail, not prison.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.eba2c8b8ac82
https://www.nbc29.com/story/29778912...ased-from-jail

Bella Vista, Arkansas, officer Coleman Brackney shot a man six times. The Arkansas State Police determined that the final killing shot came as the man was surrendering. He pled down to negligent homicide, a misdemeanor, and got a 30-day sentence and a $1000 fine. Oh... and now he's a police chief.
https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2...ys-for-killing
https://5newsonline.com/2013/03/26/o...-police-chief/

I could go on and on. Here's a comprehensive study of the lenience of convicted LEOs:
https://dlj.law.duke.edu/2017/06/the...lice-officers/

Frankly, it's obvious that you're unhappy. The conviction left you nothing to be outraged about, so you made up a fairytale about how likely it was that the judge would set aside the verdict, just so you could be unhappy about that. On some level, you knew that was in fact very unlikely, so you made up another fairytale, this one about the verdict being overturned on appeal, since the appeals process will take years and you can spend those years bleating about how 'likely' it supposedly is. And I have no doubt that if it isn't overturned, you'll be upset. Upset that, once again, your nonsensical predictions failed to come true. Upset that your silly caricature of Minnesota is revealed for the nonsense that it is.

For those with reading comprehension issues, there is nothing in this post that expresses disagreement with either Noor's conviction nor the sentence. I unequivocally support both. But then, my support for convicting and sentencing murderers who wear uniforms didn't suddenly spring out of nowhere when this case arose.

On one final note, I'd like to comment on your puerile "People's Republic of Minnesota" comment. It follows from that that you think communists were notably lenient when it came to Muslims and/or religious minorities. One can only wonder if your understanding of international communism is that laughable, or if "Commie!" is just an all-purpose invective that you use, not matter how inane the context. I suspect the answer is 'both'.
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Old 06-07-2019, 07:10 PM
 
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It's time to revisit this load of incoherent nonsense.
In your extensive research, did you come across a case where a white LEO, sitting in the passenger seat, shot across his partner's lap (sitting in the driver's seat), killing a black woman wearing pajamas simply because she had tapped on the side of the squad car to get their attention?

Didn't think so.

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