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Did you people of Milwaukee ever asked yourself why? Why is Milwaukee one of the poorest city in the USA? Why is one of the most segregated city in the USA? Did you ever asked yourself what kind of social life those children (colours is not important) have except going to church??
I like to hear the answer...
Why all the questions? Do you have the answers to those questions? It sounds like your another lib trying to push for white guilt on those issues. Leave whites alone, we do just fine when people leave us alone . After all we created great safe and clean cities that were ruined by liberals trying to impose all kinds of solutions about which they knew nothing about.
Another thing, how did all those kids get to the mall? It sounds like they were orgranized and bussed in by somebody. You just don't see 50 or so kids congregating in one place out of nowhere.
Why all the questions? Do you have the answers to those questions? It sounds like your another lib trying to push for white guilt on those issues. Leave whites alone, we do just fine when people leave us alone . After all we created great safe and clean cities that were ruined by liberals trying to impose all kinds of solutions about which they knew nothing about.
Another thing, how did all those kids get to the mall? It sounds like they were orgranized and bussed in by somebody. You just don't see 50 or so kids congregating in one place out of nowhere.
They are all legitimate questions. All of whom, need answers. There are questions I have been answering that no one wants to answer. One question I have been asking, but no one wants to answer is: What about the individual?
Another question I have is: What is the difference between a group of Whites conducting a flash mob and a group of Blacks conducting a flash mob?
Ohhhh My...Somebody's Got A Burr Under Their Saddle...
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Originally Posted by Angorlee
Why all the questions? Do you have the answers to those questions? It sounds like your another lib trying to push for white guilt on those issues. Leave whites alone, we do just fine when people leave us alone . After all we created great safe and clean cities that were ruined by liberals trying to impose all kinds of solutions about which they knew nothing about.
Another thing, how did all those kids get to the mall? It sounds like they were orgranized and bussed in by somebody. You just don't see 50 or so kids congregating in one place out of nowhere.
Excuse me for seeming somewhat incredulous, but you have GOT to be kidding me...and please stop all this whining about 'liberals', which I strongly suspect includes the opinion of ANYONE who doesn't look, act, vote, or breathe like you do...
You really need to find your big-boy pants and pull 'em up tight, because the longer you keep espousing utter nonsense such as this, the longer people like me are gonna call you on it...'we created great safe and clean cities'---you and what army? It took the combined efforts of ALL Americans white, black, and otherwise, to create those cities...
And what's more, your argument about 'white guilt' is about as strong as a house built from popsicle sticks too...whites, to me anyway, don't have a damn thing to feel guilty about---this is just another piece of your crybaby agenda...the whites I know and associate with, even the most arch-conservative of them, know how to carry on a discussion about issues and differences, without resorting to tired cliches about 'libs pushing white guilt', or me sitting somewhere and sucking my thumb and moaning about 'what de white man done done to me'
So, you really need to come again, with a more coherent answer or set of answers, and quit retreating into your 'foxhole of stereotypes and studied indifference'...
Did you people of Milwaukee ever asked yourself why?
As far as I can tell, many Milwaukeeans (as in the "city of") ask those questions all the time.
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Originally Posted by lumiwa
Why is Milwaukee one of the poorest city in the USA?
Because the manufacturing jobs that Milwaukee thrived on up until the 1960s were pretty much gone entirely by the 1990s. Some progress has been made in the past decade, but the baby-boomers still hold all the political and economic clout and tend to look down their nose at any new ideas that have emerged since "their time." Naturally, this alienates the city's college graduates... the people most likely to affect such a change... and has created a brain drain and thus we have a stagnant atmosphere social and economic atmosphere.
Of course, that's to say nothing of the insane levels of corruption in our local government that would make a 1920s Chicago ward boss blush with envy. To be blunt... no one in our city council gives a sh*t about anything but keeping their job. But again, without educated people to take over or at least keep them honest, the political establishment in Milwaukee is able to have a "f**k you I got mine" attitude towards anyone outside their circle.
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Originally Posted by lumiwa
Why is one of the most segregated city in the USA?
The segregation index measures the entire metro area, not just the city. The city has plenty of integrated neighborhoods such as Riverwest (where I live), Washington Heights, Sherman Park, Walker's Point and the Northwest Side. Other areas such as the Upper East Side, Brady Street, Bay View and maybe the Third Ward could at least be considered "diverse" if not integrated when taken into account that Wisconsin is nearly wall-to-wall white outside of Milwaukee.
That said, whenever talking about segregation, the media conveiniently ignores these areas and focuses on the North Side (predominantly black), Far South Side (older, mostly polish) and the Suburbs when talking about segregation which only cultivates bitterness and stunts any type of real progress that could be made. I say this as someone whose ran or been a part of numerious open mics at various spots in the city. We would always draw crowds where up to a dozen ethnicites would be represented, yet people would still talk about segregation as if what they were doing was some type of random isolated exception and not something that was actually happening in Milwaukee.
Of course, that's not to say that segregation doesn't exist and isn't a problem. But when you see posts like the ones Angorlee makes and realize that his attitude is unfortunately typical amongst older white people in the area, it's not hard to see why there's so much racial tension in Metro Milwaukee. There's also the fact that most younger white Milwaukeeans grew up in either the surburbs or somewhere upstate and never had to deal with people who didn't come from the same background as them until they moved to the city. They tend to cling to the more "hip" areas in the eastern half of the city, but they're usually more open and not so out-rightly bitter and hateful as their older counterparts.
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Originally Posted by lumiwa
Did you ever asked yourself what kind of social life those children (colours is not important) have except going to church??
I'm a little confused about the "except going to church" part. A lot of terrible things have directly resulted from organized religion. In fact, churches are some of the most segregated institutions in America and it doesn't surprise me at all that the neighborhoods in Milwaukee that are the most centered around church life are also the most segregated.
As far as the lives of the current generation of Milwaukee's youth... I can imagine it's much worse than when I was growing up, which really wasn't that long ago. But again, much of it goes back to the older generations' stranglehold on leadership... what motive do they have for giving two s**ts about kids when their kids are all grown adults? So it's not hard to see why the after school programs that keep kids off the streets are the first thing to go everytime there's a budget crisis. And the parents who are raising these kids are usually working constantly to make ends meet (as much as I'm sure Angorlee would love to believe they all sit around and collect welfare checks) and don't usually have time to participate in the political arena... wash, rinse, repeat.
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Why all the questions? Do you have the answers to those questions? It sounds like your another lib trying to push for white guilt on those issues. Leave whites alone, we do just fine when people leave us alone . After all we created great safe and clean cities that were ruined by liberals trying to impose all kinds of solutions about which they knew nothing about.
Another thing, how did all those kids get to the mall? It sounds like they were orgranized and bussed in by somebody. You just don't see 50 or so kids congregating in one place out of nowhere.
Hate to inject some fact and reality into that delusional, gospel-according-to-Mark-Belling haze you live in, but Milwaukee was at its best culturally and economically when it was controlled by the socialists. It had the most crime and lost the most jobs when the city was at its most conservative during Henry Maier's reign.
Hate to inject some fact and reality into that delusional, gospel-according-to-Mark-Belling haze you live in, but Milwaukee was at its best culturally and economically when it was controlled by the socialists. It had the most crime and lost the most jobs when the city was at its most conservative during Henry Maier's reign.
Milwaukee had multiple riots during Maier's reign. They only officially called it a riot the one time that that black people were the aggressors.
You stay classy "good ol' days" Milwaukee!
Didn't think of that. Thanks for reminding me. I did a report about the 1967 Milwaukee riot. My father remembers that riot because he remembers the curfew.
I did a report on the open housing marches too. It honestly made me sick how many of the records from that time (including Jon Gurda's "Making Of Milwaukee"... that thing is one big steaming pile of revisionist history as I came to find out) try to paint Harold Brier as a hero for "keeping order" during the riot when he was just a gutless bigot who sent his personal thugs to rough up any reporters or protesters who tried to present the MPD in an accurate light (which probably explains all the records calling him a hero in the first place).
Hate to inject some fact and reality into that delusional, gospel-according-to-Mark-Belling haze you live in, but Milwaukee was at its best culturally and economically when it was controlled by the socialists. It had the most crime and lost the most jobs when the city was at its most conservative during Henry Maier's reign.
That doesn't even begin to tell the story.
Milwaukee had a socialist mayor during the postwar boom. That period was characterized by a pent up demand from war shortages. During that time, manufacturing was answering a wave of demand, and major manufacturing cities were riding that wave. The large manufacturing cities in the north and west, were also the cities that had very low unemployment. In cities like Milwaukee, there was a solid middle class presence, plenty of money, some very affluent residents, and a strong economy. This was also a time when many blacks migrated north for much better jobs, and a more permissive society in general, compared with other areas of the country.
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Milwaukee also had a riot during Maier's reign.
Maier--a democrat--took over in around 1960. The sixties were market by significant race riots. Relating the riot in Milwaukee to the mayor is to ignore the growing racial discord across the eastern United States at that time. Milwaukee had a race riot, as did cities like Atlanta, Baltimore, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, Newark, New York, and Detroit. There were even some in western coastal cities. During Maier's time in office, manufacturing declined in the entire rust belt, there was a major recession, major racial riots around the US, and other economic and societal shifts. Simply stating that there was a race riot under Maier, doesn't implicate the Mayor in the existence of that riot.
In the 50s and 60s, the general trends in Milwaukee closely resembled trends elsewhere in the US. Blaming one mayor or giving another credit for a local manifestation of a nationwide trend, is to ignore all of the factors that defined the periods during which each mayor was in office.
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Ohhhh My...Somebody's Got A Burr Under Their Saddle...
