[Jswee]

Originally Posted by Coseau

Yeah everything is made public after they had time to destroy evidence showing their deliberate gross negligence. There was even a break in at city hall and records stolen. Flint police probing if water documents were stolen in City Hall break-in - WXYZ.com

Lol, More likely to be former Mayor Walling the Snyder breaking into city hall and trying to "sanitize" some things. I've always wondered what kind of kick backs he got for jumping onto the KWA bandwagon. It seemed kind of sketchy that he was both Mayor of Flint and Chairman of the KWA project, kind of seems like a pretty obvious conflict of interest........

[Jswee]

Some interesting reading that kind of contradicts the meme that those on the left are pushing, that it was the Greedy Governor and his evil emergency manager who forced Flint to abandon Detroit water against their will.

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[magellan]

Originally Posted by Jswee

Some interesting reading that kind of contradicts the meme that those on the left are pushing, that it was the Greedy Governor and his evil emergency manager who forced Flint to abandon Detroit water against their will.

Who's claiming that?

[magellan]

Originally Posted by Jswee

Lol, More likely to be former Mayor Walling the Snyder breaking into city hall and trying to "sanitize" some things. I've always wondered what kind of kick backs he got for jumping onto the KWA bandwagon. It seemed kind of sketchy that he was both Mayor of Flint and Chairman of the KWA project, kind of seems like a pretty obvious conflict of interest........

The Mayor has no power under EM law. This is a really interesting piece of the timeline:

March 2014: Flint’s Emergency Manager Darnell Earley sends a letter to Detroit’s water system, refusing the final short term contract offer. It acknowledges the option to continue buying water from Detroit. But these short term offers would’ve cost Flint at least $10 million more over the two years it would take to build the new water system Flint will join next year. Instead, Earley writes, “the City of Flint has actively pursued using the Flint River as a temporary water source.” The only people with any authority over this decision were Flint’s string of emergency managers.

Here it is again for those who missed it:

http://michiganradio.org/post/report...ision#stream/0

[magellan]

Even after they get the water system switched over to KVA, the water system is still going to be rife with leaching lead. Have there been any studies estimating how long it will take to flush it all out, or down to acceptable levels?

Even when they flush the system with new water, how do they do it? Through fire hydrants that will pour contaminated water into the groundwater? When does this situation actually start to not be a massive man made disaster?

If it's more than 5 years, I can possibly see Flint being the first city in Michigan to effectively go down to a near-zero population. The Flint Refugee Crisis will be the next stage.

[Warszawa]

This was a massive ****up that caused deaths and endangered thousands of people's lives. The governor should be in jail

[Tominftl]

I agree the governor was part of trying to cover this mess up. Throw him in jail. Those poor children may never be right because of the governor.

[magellan]

This is interesting too. Snyder requested $96 Million from the federal government and FEMA in his request for disaster funding.

Snyder asks Obama for federal emergency declaration and aid for Genesee County | Michigan Radio

What's missing in a lot of these headlines when the federal government responds is that they basically denied the claim, because it doesn't fit FEMA's definition of a natural disaster (they say it's a man-made disaster and doesn't qualify, like the Enbridge oil spill in Kalamazoo). FEMA can however commit $5 Million of the $96 Million requested:

President Obama declares emergency in Flint

Snyder plans to "appeal" the decision.

Snyder to appeal Obama

In the meantime, the State of Michigan just announced that it will run a $575 Million surplus this year:

Budget director: Michigan has unexpected $575M to spend

Which will make it hard to convince FEMA to fork over $96 Million...

[magellan]

Flint water crisis vexes local area bars and restaurants

[Geo-Aggie]

Originally Posted by Warszawa

This was a massive ****up that caused deaths and endangered thousands of people's lives. The governor should be in jail

Can you point me to the deaths caused by this? From everything I've read the deaths caused by legionella are not known to be connected. And the 87 cases/10 deaths statistic is for all of Genesee County, not just Flint. Also we should consider that the CDC detects about 8,000-18,000 cases per year nationally (though the rate in Genesee County is significantly higher, with 87 cases, when compared to the rate nationally).

I'm not saying they aren't related, quite frankly I have no idea, I'm just saying let's wait until we know they're related before we start dishing out the murderous accusations, that seem to be far to permissible on the internet.

Originally Posted by Tominftl

I agree the governor was part of trying to cover this mess up. Throw him in jail. Those poor children may never be right because of the governor.

I'm sorry, but does nobody else feel like blaming the governor for this makes about as much sense as blaming Hillary for Benghazi or blaming the CEO of Ford for exploding airbags? I'm far from a Snyder-fan and understand he must take responsibility in this, but c'mon why do we have to make everything so partisan?