The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (Modesto, Lincoln: hydrant, sandwich, apartments)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by SoCal_Native

They might not want to. Why pick up trash when you can sit around and drink wine or snort the marijuana stuff and relax at the beach and get free meals by begging or from the mission?

Lmfao. “Snort the marijuana stuff”, eh? Yep. You know a lot about it. . (Marijuana is not “snortable”.)

But that aside, if you think it’s such a great lifestyle, why aren't you out there with them?

CA4Now contributes an interesting, informative post to ponder ... and you, like numerous others who troll this thread, find it an opportunity for ridicule rather than legitimate conversation about venues to ameliorate the problems.

Facts are:

1. Some businesses have been known to pay homeless to illegally dump their business trash to avoid more expensive trash disposal rates for legal waste management. So, right there you have evidence of homeless willing and able to pick up trash.

2. 75% of homeless are so only temporarily, less than a year, and need just this sort of short-term opportunity to stay fed and cleaned up enough to go out on job searches.

3. Even among the 25% of “chronic homeless” there are a fair number who do odd jobs for businesses and individuals to pick up some extra bucks.

When you don’t know squat, best plan is to remain quiet other than to ask questions if you have curiosity about a topic.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Lmfao. “Snort the marijuana stuff”, eh? Yep. You know a lot about it. . (Marijuana is not “snortable”.)

But that aside, if you think it’s such a great lifestyle, why aren't you out there with them?

CA4Now contributes an interesting, informative post to ponder ... and you, like numerous others who troll this thread, find it an opportunity for ridicule rather than legitimate conversation about venues to ameliorate the problems.

Facts are:

1. Some businesses have been known to pay homeless to illegally dump their business trash to avoid more expensive trash disposal rates for legal waste management. So, right there you have evidence of homeless willing and able to pick up trash.

2. 75% of homeless are so only temporarily, less than a year, and need just this sort of short-term opportunity to stay fed and cleaned up enough to go out on job searches.

3. Even among the 25% of “chronic homeless” there are a fair number who do odd jobs for businesses and individuals to pick up some extra bucks.

When you don’t know squat, best plan is to remain quiet other than to ask questions if you have curiosity about a topic.

so if you think a person doesn't know squat they're not allowed to ask questions? I think you getting elitist on that little boat of yours and good thing your not a teacher.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Finper

so if you think a person doesn't know squat they're not allowed to ask questions? I think you getting elitist on that little boat of yours and good thing your not a teacher.

Lmfao. Finper, I suggested people who “don’t know squat” (but want to) should ask questions ... here’s what I wrote:

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

When you don’t know squat, best plan is to remain quiet other than to ask questions if you have curiosity about a topic.

The poster I was responding to didn’t ask any.

[Genghis]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

"At a time when the sidewalks of Los Angeles are teeming with homeless encampments and too many of its streets are choked with trash, wouldn’t it be great if there were a program that would put homeless people to work cleaning up the refuse? It would be a win-win: Homeless people would get jobs. Trash would get cleared.

Yet a proposed year-long pilot program to do just that has been entangled in bureaucracy and politics for nearly two years."

Why is it taking so long to hire L.A.'s homeless to pick up trash? https://www.latimes.com/opinion/edit...712-story.html

This whole pilot program was to get a grand total of 50 homeless people clearing up garbage and they couldn't even pull it off. What's the chance they could ever get thousands of homeless people working?

[alto100]

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[SoCal_Native]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

The poster I was responding to didn’t ask any.

Wrong again:

Originally Posted by SoCal_Native

Why pick up trash when you can sit around and drink wine or snort the marijuana stuff and relax at the beach and get free meals by begging or from the mission?

And that was a rhetorical question to the extent that we already know the answer. The vagrants aren't going to pick up trash. They have it too good. If they don't eat for a week they'll be begging to do the work the illegals are doing now.

There are precisely three choices, and yes some laws may may have to be created or adjusted or eliminated:

1. Spend lots of money on vagrants. Won't happen because our society is too diverse. And besides, what did $1.2B HHH get us? A 16% increase in vagrants. We won't spend the money like other countries do for their "brothers". It may have been a solution before 1965 Hart Celler when we were all "brothers" but not anymore. We're not homogeneous like Japan, Korea, Poland, Finland. We're too multicultural and disparate and don't care about all the "them"s in our society, only the "us"s.
2. Do nothing and simply accept vagrancy. And I'll just stay away from them. Don't live near them. Don't work near them. Not my problem
3. GET TOUGH. Offer the vagrants three choices: Stop being homeless OR accept room and board in return for sobriety and WORK (via job shops) OR get arrested and be put to work. The couple of percent who truly are too ill to work, we will take care of (after we've concluded they have no assets or income). The job shops partition out work the illegals are doing now: picking crops, processing chicken, sorting recyclables, cleaning buses, repairing hiking trails, picking up trash, etc. Get tough or accept vagrancy. The the employers pay back the government to offset the cost of the room and board or incarceration. There are no other solutions. This is bullet proof. Win Win Win Win Win. If you have a better solution, provide it.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by SoCal_Native

Wrong again:



And that was a rhetorical question to the extent that we already know the answer. The vagrants aren't going to pick up trash. They have it too good. If they don't eat for a week they'll be begging to do the work the illegals are doing now.

There are precisely three choices, and yes some laws may may have to be created or adjusted or eliminated:

1. Spend lots of money on vagrants. Won't happen because our society is too diverse. And besides, what did $1.2B HHH get us? A 16% increase in vagrants. We won't spend the money like other countries do for their "brothers". It may have been a solution before 1965 Hart Celler when we were all "brothers" but not anymore. We're not homogeneous like Japan, Korea, Poland, Finland. We're too multicultural and disparate and don't care about all the "them"s in our society, only the "us"s.
2. Do nothing and simply accept vagrancy. And I'll just stay away from them. Don't live near them. Don't work near them. Not my problem
3. GET TOUGH. Offer the vagrants three choices: Stop being homeless OR accept room and board in return for sobriety and WORK (via job shops) OR get arrested and be put to work. The couple of percent who truly are too ill to work, we will take care of (after we've concluded they have no assets or income). The job shops partition out work the illegals are doing now: picking crops, processing chicken, sorting recyclables, cleaning buses, repairing hiking trails, picking up trash, etc. Get tough or accept vagrancy. The the employers pay back the government to offset the cost of the room and board or incarceration. There are no other solutions. This is bullet proof. Win Win Win Win Win. If you have a better solution, provide it.

Rhetoricals aren’t questions in search of answers. They are mechanisms to express opinions and positions. So no, you didn’t ask questions. And your ridiculous posts above demonstrate you have no knowledge of drugs, homelessness or the laws.

Locking homeless up requires that they have committed and been convicted of crimes that carry sentencing consequences. Littering, public intoxication, shouting at passers-by on street corners, etc. aren’t jailable offenses for more than hours.

Many homeless don’t mind being hauled off for a night or more anyway. They get three hots and a cot, showers, medical services and more all on your dime.

You can’t force people to work under US laws. It would require a medieval despotic rule.

And expecting most of the chronic homeless to whom you are referring to satisfy employers the way motivated, hard working illegals do is extremely laughable. An alcoholic / mentally disordered / drug addicted / physically infirm field worker, bus cleaner, trail buster wouldn’t last 30 minutes.

But all this chatter doesn’t even address your utter ignorance of who is homeless and why / how.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Is there a Gofundme for the immigrant family who recently lost their house because of the homeless cretins burning a fire in the adjacent alley? I feel particularly bad for them, especially since they called the authorities regarding the fire, yet nothing was done about it before it caused their house to catch fire.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

Is there a Gofundme for the immigrant family who recently lost their house because of the homeless cretins burning a fire in the adjacent alley? I feel particularly bad for them, especially since they called the authorities regarding the fire, yet nothing was done about it before it caused their house to catch fire.

It appears that there is, and it took about 30 seconds to find. There's a link to it in this article in case you wanted to donate: https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...512971311.html

[V8 Vega]

LA city firefighters put out 7 fires a day started by homeless every day. Your paying for this not to mention the obvious danger.