The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (Folsom, Coalinga: felony, school, residential)

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I don't buy it..not for burglaries anyway. Where do homeless people store what they steal, and how do they get it to the spot where they sleep?

It's pretty tough to carry a 60" flat screen down the street for several miles without being noticed.

Yes, it is. Still waiting on those statistics proving that the increase in burglaries is due to the homeless (other than the Van Nuys cop who says that he "believes...")

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Yes, it is. Still waiting on those statistics proving that the increase in burglaries is due to the homeless (other than the Van Nuys cop who says that he "believes...")

What motivation would he have to lie about it ?

You can still other things besides 60” TVs too ..

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Uh because there's a reason the guidelines were setup that way. California is an extremely RENTER friendly state, and you think the guidelines would be setup to NOT protect renters in the majority of cases?

How would you know?

You have never even lived in CA, or probably ever visited.

You don't own any property here.

You have some sick fascination with CA, sort of like someone who stalks a celebrity, except your celebrity isn't a person but a place.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by jm1982

What motivation would he have to lie about it ?

No one said he lied; he's a cop from Van Nuys....his mindset comes from years of working the job. When the suspects aren't caught, it's easier to put the blame on someone else.

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I don't buy it..not for burglaries anyway. Where do homeless people store what they steal, and how do they get it to the spot where they sleep? It's pretty tough to carry a 60" flat screen down the street for several miles without being noticed.

Come on.....LOL.

I have a lot of empathy for anyone who falls on hard times.

But did you read back what you wrote?

How do they get it to where they sleep? HELLO.....their shopping cart, do you see how much some homeless people have? It's not just a backpack.

SHOPPING CART.

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

You can't vote to confine people who have not broken the law, or met the criteria for 72 hour detention pursuant to 5150 H&S. The Supreme Court has ruled on this and voters can't override the Supreme Court.

https://mentalillnesspolicy.org/lega...eme-court.html

PS It's not a "left wing issue"

Now here you're spot on.

We can't just cart people off, while the US is certainly on it's way to becoming a police state, not there yet.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jm1982

All these homeless advocates are in denial of the reality .

You can call me a homeless advocate all you want but it's not true. What I won't do is sit back and ignore these silly ideas about involuntarily confining the homeless in camps in the desert which is not only against California law, it's been found unconstitutional several times by the Supreme Court. And I'm not going to entertain the fantasy that everything in possession of a homeless person is stolen. There was an organization in Reno that rebuilt donated bicycles and gave them to the homeless, but I'm sure if you drove through Reno you would convince yourself that every bike in the possession of a homeless person is stolen.

Most of the homeless economy is based on barter, they do a lot of dumpster diving and if they find something useful they frequently trade it to other homeless people, that's how they get mattresses and plywood..not from burglaries Don't get me wrong, they aren't angels and there certainly are thieves and violent criminals among them but I don't buy what you are selling, that they are almost all out there committing crime.

There are two solutions to homelessness. You hire hundreds if not thousands more cops and chase the homeless around town 24/7 and write them tickets for whatever petty municipal code you can think of and then put them in jail for two or three days when they fail to show up to coure. Or you provide them with shelter. I think we should build tent encampments for them, but I'm sure there are other solutions that could be considered too.

[Vacanegro]

Originally Posted by seain dublin

Come on.....LOL.

I have a lot of empathy for anyone who falls on hard times.

But did you read back what you wrote?

How do they get it to where they sleep? HELLO.....their shopping cart, do you see how much some homeless people have? It's not just a backpack.

SHOPPING CART.



Now here you're spot on.

We can't just cart people off, while the US is certainly on it's way to becoming a police state, not there yet.

It's hard to believe that anyone thinks they are better off homeless. The homeless don't want to be that way - they just don't fit in anywhere for a variety of reasons - drugs, mental illness, penniless, whatever. There will always be some homeless people but the problem really calls for some tough-love solutions which certain advocates would call "police state" tactics.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by seain dublin

How do they get it to where they sleep? HELLO.....their shopping cart, do you see how much some homeless people have? It's not just a backpack.

Not as common to see this today. Anti-theft shopping carts are everywhere now....the wheels apparently lock when taken outside a certain perimeter.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by seain dublin

Come on.....LOL.
I have a lot of empathy for anyone who falls on hard times.
But did you read back what you wrote?
How do they get it to where they sleep? HELLO.....their shopping cart, do you see how much some homeless people have? It's not just a backpack.
SHOPPING CART.

Now here you're spot on.
We can't just cart people off, while the US is certainly on it's way to becoming a police state, not there yet.

The problem with the shopping cart/burglary theory is this; how long would it take for a neighbor or passerby to notice that there is a shopping cart by the front door of someone's home? Very few homeless people would be willing to take that kind of risk, it's far to obvious. My guess is that when the police are referring to burglaries being committed by transients they are talking about drug addicts who live in cars and occasionally stay in motels or sofa surf and have no permanent address.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

You can call me a homeless advocate all you want but it's not true. What I won't do is sit back and ignore these silly ideas about involuntarily confining the homeless in camps in the desert which is not only against California law, it's been found unconstitutional several times by the Supreme Court. And I'm not going to entertain the fantasy that everything in possession of a homeless person is stolen. There was an organization in Reno that rebuilt donated bicycles and gave them to the homeless, but I'm sure if you drove through Reno you would convince yourself that every bike in the possession of a homeless person is stolen.

Most of the homeless economy is based on barter, they do a lot of dumpster diving and if they find something useful they frequently trade it to other homeless people, that's how they get mattresses and plywood..not from burglaries Don't get me wrong, they aren't angels and there certainly are thieves and violent criminals among them but I don't buy what you are selling, that they are almost all out there committing crime.

There are two solutions to homelessness. You hire hundreds if not thousands more cops and chase the homeless around town 24/7 and write them tickets for whatever petty municipal code you can think of and then put them in jail for two or three days when they fail to show up to coure. Or you provide them with shelter. I think we should build tent encampments for them, but I'm sure there are other solutions that could be considered too.

We are talking about 1000 bikes . They were all donated ? Sure .

I never said they were stealing mattresses and plywood.. that was in quote .

So you are for encampments but they can’t be in the antelope valley where land is affordable , why?