The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (Santa Ana, Orange: mattresses, shop, food)

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by Finper

Check out pics of the homeless encampment they're clearing out today in OC. There are thousands of bikes scattered around most in pieces and don't you dare say where are the statistics there stolen.

Clear them at last and send them to Sacramento where hearts bleed and coffers are apparently, far too full.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

All the crime? Do you have statistics or just news articles? Researchers have found that the homeless are more often the victim of violent crime than the perpetrator, the only category of crime that is higher than among the general population for the homeless are misdemeanor assaults and they are usually homeless vs homeless.

And I don't think anyone advocates spending $350,000 per unit to shelter the homeless there are far cheaper options, such as tent encampments, or....we can just leave them on the streets and step over them, that's the choice we face.

Pretty sure there are no publicly available stats specifically on crimes by the homeless .

But ...

I’ll take the word of an LAPD detective .

“O’Connor said he believes the break-in is part of a larger trend of burglaries being committed by transients in the LAPD’s Van Nuys Division.

“We’re in the third week of February, and just about all of our burglary arrests from the calendar year have been transient suspects,” O’Connor said. “More of our suspects who are committing burglary and property crimes are transients. All you need is a rock to get inside a business. And what you stand to gain far exceeds your risk of getting caught. And even when you do get caught, the punishment is so minuscule, so it’s almost worth the risk.”

http://www.dailynews.com/2018/02/13/...ught-with-him/

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by BlinkingBlythe

Do you think people want to set the bar that low? The previous generations screwed us generation X'ers and Millennials very good, and now we are left picking up the pieces.

To the previous generations: Thanks for nothing.

All previous generations ? Even the ones that fought wars for our freedom and died for it ?

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

1) You have no evidence that they are all stolen

True....it even states that in the Orange County Register article.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Pretty sure there are no publicly available stats specifically on crimes by the homeless .

But ...

I’ll take the word of an LAPD detective .

“O’Connor said he believes the break-in is part of a larger trend of burglaries being committed by transients in the LAPD’s Van Nuys Division.

“We’re in the third week of February, and just about all of our burglary arrests from the calendar year have been transient suspects,” O’Connor said. “More of our suspects who are committing burglary and property crimes are transients. All you need is a rock to get inside a business. And what you stand to gain far exceeds your risk of getting caught. And even when you do get caught, the punishment is so minuscule, so it’s almost worth the risk.”

http://www.dailynews.com/2018/02/13/...ught-with-him/

I don't buy it..not for burglaries anyway. Where do homeless people store what they steal, and how do they get it to the spot where they sleep? It's pretty tough to carry a 60" flat screen down the street for several miles without being noticed.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

If the intractable alternatives by libs are either 350k/unit vs. leaving them on the streets and step..the choice is very clear. I, for one, see no moral dilemma. Build the camps or let us bulldoze the streets of people and their belongings-- OUR, public streets which these bums have no right to appropriate for themselves.

What did I just say about this $350,000 figure you keep throwing around? Did I say I support it..no, I didn't. I don't even know where the figure came from, for all I know it's in the conservative catechism, you know just like the meme that people who get SNAP benefits all have the latest Iphone

[TCROX]

Again... the laws virtually demand that anyone who is a potential harm to themselves or others MUST be taken out of society until they are not ...and yes mental and emotional harm fall into that category. The laws also say that criminals should be in jail... two nifty places to put them based on needs of a civil compassionate society...and yeah, nice people should get treated better first.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by TCROX

Again... the laws virtually demand that anyone who is a potential harm to themselves or others MUST be taken out of society until they are not...

No. A 5150 can be issued for someone who is a danger to himself or others. That's an involuntary psychiatric 72 hour hold.

The laws also say that criminals should be in jail

Depends on what the "crime" is, actually.

[TCROX]

Well I guess we'll see what the voters say...maybe you'll continue to realize the expansion of your left wing utopia...you seem to want this crap so bad..

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by TCROX

Again... the laws virtually demand that anyone who is a potential harm to themselves or others MUST be taken out of society until they are not ...and yes mental and emotional harm fall into that category. The laws also say that criminals should be in jail... two nifty places to put them based on needs of a civil compassionate society...and yeah, nice people should get treated better first.

That is absolutely untrue. The criteria for involuntary detention for a mental health evaluation is: "Is in immediate danger of harming himself or others or is gravely disabled". That is California law and there are similar laws in every state.
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