[mrlucky110]

Originally Posted by frizzo100

What about the bellhops who eagerly try to grab your bags before you get off the shuttle to go to the hotel? Sometimes you almost have to pry their hands of your luggage. I will never tip these people for the simple reason that I don't like someone trying to force their services on me. I'm perfectly capable of bringing my own luggage up to my room. If I want your service, I will ask.

I agree 100%. CHecked into the Luxor a while back and as soon as I stood in line, the bell boy comes over and takes my suitcase and puts it into a pile without asking me. After I got my room key I could see that they were going to be awhile in delivering my bag to the room. They wait until they have about 20 bags and then make their rounds. I could see it might take an hour to get my bag. When I went to retrieve it , the bell jerk said " Sir, leave the bag .We will deliver it."
I said " No. It is my bag. And I WANT it now!" Instead of saying 'YEs Sir" he just snickered like a jerk! How about asking guests BEFORE you snatch their bags " Sir/ MAdam would you like help with your bags?"

[cedar_bluff_tree_farm]

Interesting discussion....

I think some of the above posts summarize my feelings regarding tipping pretty well. I'll tip when I ask someone to do a service that it outside the normal course of business, or if it is very strongly required by social custom, but generally not when the service is a requirement of the vendor.

For example, I don't tip shuttle drivers. I pay $7 or whatever for the ride, and that should cover the cost of the ride. The drivers do not allow you to take your bags on the shuttle van (they can pack more people in), so I don't consider the driver handling your bad to be an extra service.

Valet parking falls into this category. Some places it's optional - and then tips are good. I'll self-park. Other places (here in Seattle for sure. Not sure about Vegas) they don't allow self-parking, in which case I don't tip. If the hotel creates a business model that doesn't allow self-parking, the hotel has to take responsibility to pay the valets.

I'll tip cocktail waitresses but only a little. The casino doesn't allow you to order your own drinks. Paying a waitress work for the casino is part of the business plan of the casino, and the waitress should get paid appropriate by the casino. However, social norms expect tipping so I'll reluctantly tip but I won't be a big tipper.

I tip restaurant servers (waitresses) 15%, regardless of the level of service. I don't agree with the idea customer is expected to pay a portion of the servers salary, but it's part of our American customs to tip waiters/waitresses. Some may say I'm being cheap to tip only 15% but that is what I do.

In all cases, I do not tip more if a cute waitress serves me or less if an ugly waitress serves me. The same goes with age - older waitresses receive the same tip as young ones. That's not fair to pay cute or young girls more, so I do the same for all.

[AnnPedi614]

Originally Posted by cedar_bluff_tree_farm

Interesting discussion....

I think some of the above posts summarize my feelings regarding tipping pretty well. I'll tip when I ask someone to do a service that it outside the normal course of business, or if it is very strongly required by social custom, but generally not when the service is a requirement of the vendor.

For example, I don't tip shuttle drivers. I pay $7 or whatever for the ride, and that should cover the cost of the ride. The drivers do not allow you to take your bags on the shuttle van (they can pack more people in), so I don't consider the driver handling your bad to be an extra service.

Valet parking falls into this category. Some places it's optional - and then tips are good. I'll self-park. Other places (here in Seattle for sure. Not sure about Vegas) they don't allow self-parking, in which case I don't tip. If the hotel creates a business model that doesn't allow self-parking, the hotel has to take responsibility to pay the valets.

I'll tip cocktail waitresses but only a little. The casino doesn't allow you to order your own drinks. Paying a waitress work for the casino is part of the business plan of the casino, and the waitress should get paid appropriate by the casino. However, social norms expect tipping so I'll reluctantly tip but I won't be a big tipper.

I tip restaurant servers (waitresses) 15%, regardless of the level of service. I don't agree with the idea customer is expected to pay a portion of the servers salary, but it's part of our American customs to tip waiters/waitresses. Some may say I'm being cheap to tip only 15% but that is what I do.

In all cases, I do not tip more if a cute waitress serves me or less if an ugly waitress serves me. The same goes with age - older waitresses receive the same tip as young ones. That's not fair to pay cute or young girls more, so I do the same for all.

The casino allows you to get your own drinks as you can walk up to the bar and order one and pay for it if you like, otherwise you can take the free drink in which case tipping a dollar should be standard. I guess I look at it like they are doing me a service. No one is forcing me to drink and if I don't want to get off my lazy butt there is usually a nice girl there to fetch my drinks for me. I feel she deserves a tip.
Cedar at least you are fair regarding age and cuteness, but honestly I am glad you weren't sitting at my tables when I waited tables, I gave good service and the norm for tips was 20%. And yes maybe restaurants should pay their waitstaff more, but if they did the cost of food and drinks would go up atleast 20%.

[MadManofBethesda]

Originally Posted by cedar_bluff_tree_farm

Some may say I'm being cheap to tip only 15% but that is what I do.

Some?

[MadManofBethesda]

I'll try to speak in generalizations as it were so that my comment isn't perceived as a personal attack....

Not directed at anyone in particular of course, but in my entire life I have never come across any cheap sob who actially admitted that he was a cheap sob. Every "frugal" person always had a rationalization or two to explain away the fact that he or she was merely a cheap sob.

There, how was that?

[cedar_bluff_tree_farm]

I'm cheap when it comes to tipping, I'll admit it. Like I said, I grew up in a toursity place where the tourists didn't feel a need to tip and usually didn't, so I never received them as a shuttle driver, car washer, etc.

But my comments have to be taken in context. One night I stayed at a Marriot hotel in Seattle on the downtown waterfront. Parking was $24, valet only. Did I tip the valet? No. There wasn't anywhere else to park. The hotel did valet parking because they could squeeze more cars into the parking lot than if they allowed self parking. I would have done self-parking if it was allowed.

And besides, I think ya'll are cheap not to tip the minimum wage bank teller who stands on her feet all day wearing heels. That's a tough job, you know. My mother was one and complained about her sore feet everyday when she came home. (Of course, I'm saying partially tongue in cheek because it sounds ludricuous to tip someone who works at a bank, but it's hard to justify why they don't receive a tip.)

[MadManofBethesda]

Originally Posted by cedar_bluff_tree_farm

I'm cheap when it comes to tipping, I'll admit it. Like I said, I grew up in a toursity place where the tourists didn't feel a need to tip and usually didn't, so I never received them as a shuttle driver, car washer, etc.

But my comments have to be taken in context. One night I stayed at a Marriot hotel in Seattle on the downtown waterfront. Parking was $24, valet only. Did I tip the valet? No. There wasn't anywhere else to park. The hotel did valet parking because they could squeeze more cars into the parking lot than if they allowed self parking. I would have done self-parking if it was allowed.

You're anger is misdirected. Why penalize the valet if you are irritated at the business practice of the hotel? It is not as if he's benefiting from the $24 charge. If you are upset at the mandatory parking and want to punish Marriott, the proper way of doing so is to take your business elsewhere. It is not proper to retaliate by reducing the income of the worker. That would be analogous to not tipping a bartender because you are not allowed to go behind the bar and make your own drink.

Originally Posted by cedar_bluff_tree_farm

And besides, I think ya'll are cheap not to tip the minimum wage bank teller who stands on her feet all day wearing heels. That's a tough job, you know. My mother was one and complained about her sore feet everyday when she came home. (Of course, I'm saying partially tongue in cheek because it sounds ludricuous to tip someone who works at a bank, but it's hard to justify why they don't receive a tip.)

You've mentioned this a couple of times on this thread now. Bank tellers are not paid minimum wage. From where did you get that idea?

[cedar_bluff_tree_farm]

Originally Posted by MadManofBethesda

You've mentioned this a couple of times on this thread now. Bank tellers are not paid minimum wage. From where did you get that idea?

I know that bank tellers are paid around minimum wage from my mother, but you can confirm it in this ad for a bank teller position in Missoula, MT. Part Time Bank Teller | Careerjet (http://www.careerjet.com/job/85baf12e544c63e7fa510d975b516051.html - broken link) They are offering $8 an hour, which is $0.45 above the federal minimum wage.

I mention bank tellers because it's sounds ludricous to tip the person who handles cash all day. However, other than it's not done, it is hard to justify why the position of bank teller doesn't receive a tip while the position of bartender or valet does earn a tip. It's just interesting.....

[sam_i_am]

cedar_bluff_tree_farm

I am with you 100%. There is quite an entitled sense to tipping around here.

I guess we're suppose to tip any person performing any type of service we come
in contact with if they're underpaid according to some extremely loose definition of underpaid.

Using some of the logic in this thread, we really should be tipping fast food
employees. And be sure to tip your cashier at the supermarket /Walmart/Target if
you use one and self-check out was available. Because clearly, you were too lazy
to check out on your own so your cashier deserves a tip for doing it for you.

What? You don't tip at McDonald's/Ralph's/Walmart/Target !?!
Well then, you're just a cheap ass. End of story. </end sarcasm>

[MadManofBethesda]

Originally Posted by cedar_bluff_tree_farm

I know that bank tellers are paid around minimum wage from my mother, but you can confirm it in this ad for a bank teller position in Missoula, MT. Part Time Bank Teller | Careerjet They are offering $8 an hour, which is $0.45 above the federal minimum wage.

A part-time position at a small, local bank for a student in Missoula, Montana?

Missoula, Montana?? Really??

C'mon, is that the best that you can do?

My wife made almost that amount as a teller over 20 years ago (1985 - 1986) when the minimum wage was $3.35. (Actually, her pay was between $7 & $8 per hour).

Originally Posted by cedar_bluff_tree_farm

I mention bank tellers because it's sounds ludricous to tip the person who handles cash all day. However, other than it's not done, it is hard to justify why the position of bank teller doesn't receive a tip while the position of bartender or valet does earn a tip. It's just interesting.....

Apparently, it is more than just interesting to you because you have stated your objections to it and go so far as to refuse to tip people under certain circumstances because of those objections.