[Scott456]

Originally Posted by aggrofish

I meant to say E3. I always confuse the two for some reason. Anyway, I don't know if you're trying to say that my pay is the reason it's difficult to find talent, but it's not. Also, not everyone looking for talent is looking for IT as much as you people would love to think the world evolves around you.

But this thread is about Silicon Valley vs LV, ie, about high tech, computer, internet, website.... I believe many people call them Information Technology.

[WestieJeff]

Huh?

You said hiring high tech people blows. Based on the title of this thread being Silicon Valley, I related that to IT personnel, yes. Not sure what other "high tech" you're speaking of.

I was merely relating my decade plus of experience working in the IT field in Vegas. I've never had an issue hiring, finding, or working with professional people, once the employer is willing to pay. I HAVE had lots of issues with unreliable staff when the employer is not willing to pay. How can you NOT think pay relates to finding good quality employees?

There are other factors as well, but IMO it's the biggest.

Originally Posted by aggrofish

I meant to say E3. I always confuse the two for some reason. Anyway, I don't know if you're trying to say that my pay is the reason it's difficult to find talent, but it's not. Also, not everyone looking for talent is looking for IT as much as you people would love to think the world evolves around you.

[Exaday]

Austin Texas > Silicon Valley

[MediocreButArrogant]

Originally Posted by Scott456

But this thread is about Silicon Valley vs LV, ie, about high tech, computer, internet, website.... I believe many people call them Information Technology.

People with 4-year CS or related degrees who work in Silicon Valley making $200k+ would be insulted if you said they were in IT.

IT is the term for low-paid flunkies that took classes at DeVry, Heald, or Phoenix, or worse, obtained "certifications".

[ddrhazy]

Originally Posted by MediocreButArrogant

People with 4-year CS or related degrees who work in Silicon Valley making $200k+ would be insulted if you said they were in IT.

IT is the term for low-paid flunkies that took classes at DeVry, Heald, or Phoenix, or worse, obtained "certifications".

The average computer engineer in Silicon Valley makes around 70k. IT can be system admining and can pay just as well. Often times the qualifications are computer engineering or an AA in network engineering.

[Scott456]

yea I know those kind of people.
I once know someone who insists on calling himself a "software developer" and not a "programmer", when all he does is writing programs, and make merely $100K on a full-time job. Well, he certainly care about his job title.
Then again, I don't think I would care for less what other people call me when I make $200K per year.

[aggrofish]

Originally Posted by WestieJeff

Huh?

You said hiring high tech people blows. Based on the title of this thread being Silicon Valley, I related that to IT personnel, yes. Not sure what other "high tech" you're speaking of.

I was merely relating my decade plus of experience working in the IT field in Vegas. I've never had an issue hiring, finding, or working with professional people, once the employer is willing to pay. I HAVE had lots of issues with unreliable staff when the employer is not willing to pay. How can you NOT think pay relates to finding good quality employees?

There are other factors as well, but IMO it's the biggest.

We can argue semantics bask and forth on what was, or wasn't inferred from the title of the thread. I will say that he OP gave the example of a game developer.

My main issues in finding quality people is not the pay, it's the lack of qualified people. I've found several engineers and game developers that are god awful at all pay levels. I've paid nearly $500,000 in R&D / engineering (industrial, mechanical, electrical) this year. I run a microscopic company but pay industry standard rates usually between $75 - $150 an hr for something highly specialized.

Pay, in my situation, is not the issue the lack of qualified personnel is.

[Scott456]

It is common in the industry to outsource rare projects to specialized contractors. Even in Silicon Valley, they fly in tons of people every week to work on projects when the needed resource is not widely available.
Also, if a company is big enough and have on-going need for full-time professionals, they can certainly relocate workers from other part of the country or other part of the world. But your company is not big enough to do so.

I wouldn't think people can easily find Casino operation specialists in Silicon Valley either, if they open casinos there.

[braindead0]

I remember years ago... probably 15 or more at a guess I was approached by a company trying to hire programmers to write the L.V. government a new information system. They asked me if I would move to L.V. for this job, I said depends on the deal, salary/moving expenses. They wouldn't make an actual offer so I wouldn't commit to moving. They never got back to me. Seemed to be looking for paper tigers from diploma mills, I suppose the hiring commission is the same.

[virtualdrummer]

It's difficult to hire good people anywhere, especially Silicon Valley. I guess the difference here is that you know that they're out there, but you're competing against Google, Facebook, Twitter, and 4,000 startups that are also trying to find the best people. And even here, there are a ton of crappy developers.

I suspect that companies in places like Vegas would need to be far more open about telecommuting, perhaps building from the ground up to support that. It's not easy (ask Yahoo), and it requires a very different way of thinking about how a company is run, but finding great people will likely mean finding people outside Vegas, and not everyone wants to relocate to the middle of the desert.