[Onlyliveonce]

The bottom line on a 15 an hour wage after taxes is about 22 k a year. Now factor in about 2 k in commuting expenses a year and the real bottom line for the security guard is 20 k . I assume the majority of businesses are not reporting all income and the cleaning person and day labor worker are not reporting income at all.
The point of my post was to illustrate the amount of hours one needs to work at 15 an hour to obtain goods and services.

[ScoopLV]

Originally Posted by BBMW

Scoop,

I don't know if you read the thread that precipitated this one.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/las-v...d-i-apply.html

There is a cop from Backeastland is taking his 20 and out pension an looking for basically a retirement job in Vegas. Onlyliveonce was trying to convince him to stay in Backeastland on his job and make more money.

Technically this was the correct thing to do. But Only was missing the point. They guy wanted to move to Vegas, and get a minimal job to keep him busy, generate a little extra cash, and maybe benefits. He wasn't looking to apply for chief of security at a major resort. I have a feeling your "sit on their ass all day" guys are in the same camp. In point of fact, Vegas being a retirement destination, I bet there's a lot of that, and, really, it's not that inappropriate.

That probably explains the people who polish chairs with their posteriors for eight hour shifts. I could see that. But I would prefer to not have to work at all after retiring. If I want to do something, great. But if I don't, that should be an option as well.

[aggrofish]

OP I take it from your post that you worked for someone your entire career and never took a dime out of pocket to pay an employee.

[Onlyliveonce]

Originally Posted by aggrofish

OP I take it from your post that you worked for someone your entire career and never took a dime out of pocket to pay an employee.

" I have no dog in this fight " I am retired and not reliant on an employer to " enslave me for 10 dollars an hour " as security guard or TELEMARKETER.

I do see your point, it cost money to have a business, but at the end of the day you are making MUCH more than 10 dollars an hour.

Thank God I do not NEED a job.

[mojavedxer]

$15 an hour if your lucky enough to get it is pretty good for just showing up for work on time and get a free lunch to boot. Casino Security is not a demanding job or does it require any special skills.

[von949]

Originally Posted by mojavedxer

$15 an hour if your lucky enough to get it is pretty good for just showing up for work on time and get a free lunch to boot. Casino Security is not a demanding job or does it require any special skills.

Exactly. There are not too many DEMANDING security jobs to begin with out here. With the exception of anything involved with surveillance, celebrities or armed body guard type work. Most of these people working guard positions will get through a full game of Angry Birds during a shift.

My uncle-in-law works surveillance operations on the strip. I'm sure he pulls in more than $60K a year. Before that, he put in over 10 years low level guard work, then took all the courses to learn every single table game. Pretty much worked his way up.

Nobody has to stay at $12-15 if they don't want to.


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[BBMW]

Retirement is going to increasingly not be what people expect it to be. People who thought their savings and pensions and social security were going to carry them, will find that it doesn't. And especially if they retire early (voluntarily or not), and they have to deal with the whole heath insurance thing on their own, these people will need to find some sort of employment, even if they're "retired".

There's also the boredom factor. My father sold his store and retired at the normal 65. He promptly become bored out of his skull. So he hook up with a couple of old cronies of his who were doing real estate, and started doing it too. It was something of a hobby job (brokerage, not investing), but he made decent money at it.

I know you've been saving fanatically to retire. But even if you stopped cooking professionally, you have your little real estate empire to run, so you wouldn't be "retired" either.

Really, if had $25-30K coming in from a pension, and needed something to do, a $15 casino security gig doesn't really sound all that bad. Between the two incomes, you could live pretty well in Vegas.

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

That probably explains the people who polish chairs with their posteriors for eight hour shifts. I could see that. But I would prefer to not have to work at all after retiring. If I want to do something, great. But if I don't, that should be an option as well.

[Muonic]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

If someone is unhappy with their position -- the best place to start is to look at a mirror. I recognize that we all have different abilities.

But where I work, there are a lot of security people whose job description is "sit on their ass all day." I think these people are overpaid. There is much blame at the top end, too (I cannot stand the fact that there are CEOs who make a gazillion dollars even though they ran their company into the ground). The fact remains, if someone wants a better life, GO OUT THERE AND GET ONE. In most cases, the only person holding them down is themselves.

One of the rare times that Scoop and I actually somewhat agree on something (especially the CEO part).

If your goal in life is to have a minimum wage job, that's probably what you will end up with.

You cannot separate the job from the pay. They go hand in hand. Some jobs pay big money, and others don't. If you want to make big money, you better develop the skills necessary to get one of the big money jobs. One caveat, is that you need to learn those skills early in your career. Otherwise, you may find yourself "stuck" in your minimum wage "career". It can be very difficult for a middle age person to change careers because of their current life obligations (family, kids, etc.).

Set your goals high, folks. Most people don't get to the top of their field by accident. They get there because of ambition, hard work, AND, because that's where they plan to end up.


As for retirement.....

I retired about a year ago at age 55. I haven't been bored for one second, and (as I often say) I sometimes wonder how I ever had time to go to work. If there are any retired people out there who are bored, come on over to my house a couple days a week. I have a pair of hedge clippers and a rake, and you can go crazy out in my back yard. And while you are doing that, I have a bunch of hobbies that need my attention.

[mojavedxer]

Originally Posted by von949

Exactly. There are not too many DEMANDING security jobs to begin with out here. With the exception of anything involved with surveillance, celebrities or armed body guard type work. Most of these people working guard positions will get through a full game of Angry Birds during a shift.

My uncle-in-law works surveillance operations on the strip. I'm sure he pulls in more than $60K a year. Before that, he put in over 10 years low level guard work, then took all the courses to learn every single table game. Pretty much worked his way up.

Nobody has to stay at $12-15 if they don't want to.


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Yea Casino Surveillance has been my gig for the last ten years. While we are not getting rich, we are earning a living wage. Most of us must be social misfits wanting to work locked up in a room all day with a couple other people with you.

[Trader Joe99]

Originally Posted by Muonic

Set your goals high, folks. Most people don't get to the top of their field by accident. They get there because of ambition, hard work, AND, because that's where they plan to end.

You made me laugh this morning. No one gets on the top by hard work anymore. That is a myth.
Succes and American Dream in this country needs to be re-evaluated.
Hard work is not going to get you to the top, lying, cheating and stealing will.
Rich are simply better in those things and they are better in using others for their interest.