Is Right to Work Law Good or Bad for Indiana? (Muncie: employment, middle school)

[NewOrleanianLA1]

Indiana is the first Rust Belt state to become a right to work state like the ones in the South.

Is it good or bad news for IN?

Will it really attract corporations boosting the economy?

[Toxic Toast]

I don't care, and most economic experts think it is a non-issue in the grand scheme of things.

It is more of a political thing than anything else.

[Broadrippleguy]

Good for Indiana. Unlike the Pro-Union Folks here they wont accept the fact that now alot of businesses are actively looking to set up shop in Indiana.
Caterpillar across in Ill-Annoy has a strike going on a Joliet Plant. Caterpillar at this rate should just close that plant like they did in Canada and setup shop in Indiana.
Heck the canadian Auto Workers sure did provide some needed Relief to Muncie
Unions were good until they become the Greed Machines that people in the Democratic party protest as Corporate Welfare.
It cuts both ways

[rrtechno]

It depends on who you are. If you are the owner of a business who has questionable morals and character, it is probably a plus. If you are a worker who is working for such an employer, it could be a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Broadrippleguy

Unions were good ...

If the unions are broken now by employers who promise that things will be fine (and employees who weren't around to remember how conditions were before and thus believe it), who is going to watch and make sure that conditions don't start returning to the way they were before the unions appeared.

[mike0618]

The problem with unions is they protect bad employees. Employers need to be able to rid themselves with cause underperforming or plane out dishonest employees without having the wall they get from unions. There is still plenty of goverment recourse for these bad employees to complain to after they get fired. Good employees dont use their protections by unions it is the bad ones who use that protection to keep thier lazy ways.

[Broadrippleguy]

Originally Posted by rrtechno

It depends on who you are. If you are the owner of a business who has questionable morals and character, it is probably a plus. If you are a worker who is working for such an employer, it could be a bad thing.



If the unions are broken now by employers who promise that things will be fine (and employees who weren't around to remember how conditions were before and thus believe it), who is going to watch and make sure that conditions don't start returning to the way they were before the unions appeared.

The many laws that were passed in response to what Unions Pioneered
We have working condition laws and all that stuff.

Mike your spot on also

[rrtechno]

Originally Posted by Broadrippleguy

The many laws that were passed in response to what Unions Pioneered
We have working condition laws and all that stuff.

Mike your spot on also

The laws that were passed can be changed just as easily if there is no one there to fight to keep them. We all saw those attempts in Wisconsin and Ohio last year.

I was a union member for over 30 years at a previous job. I never once saw the union try to protect a "bad" employee. There were numerous times where I saw the union make sure that proper procedures were used to remove someone from a position where there was a problem. I saw numerous times where the union tried to work with an under-performing employee to try to help them improve and keep their position. I saw numerous times where the union flat out told an employee, "You aren't doing an appropriate job. You haven't made an honest effort to improve. You ought to consider a career change at your choice rather than being forced into it."

I believe many people hear a story or two about an instance and believe that it is the norm. I personally know more good employees who were let go for no legitimate reason at a non union business, than poor employees who were "protected" by a union.

[NewOrleanianLA1]

I've lived in Louisiana my entire life and it is a right to work state. I don't know anything about unions except the fact that it can help the working men to have their ways by exercising their rights as a member of the union.

By the way, I found good comparsions:


According to the United States Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, Occupational Employment Statistics, May 2010 Occupational Employment and Wages Estimates htt://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oessrcst.htm . Comparing the average medium hourly wage of all 22 Right to Work States (RTW) and all 28 Collective-Bargaining States (CBS) as of May 2010.

• CBS all occupations average $22.73
• RTW all occupations average $18.86 a difference of $3.87 an hour
• CBS Middle School Teachers average $56,784 annual
• RTW Middle School Teachers average $47,862 annual a difference of $8922
• CBS Registered Nurses average $34.69
• RTW Registered Nurses average $29.08 a difference of $5.62
• CBS Sheet-Metal Workers average $24.56
• RTW Sheet-Metal Workers average $19.09 a difference of $5.47
• CBS third-quarter 2011 cost-of-living $117.03
• RTW third-quarter 2011 cost-of-living $94.46 a difference of $22.58

It looks like it would mean lower wages/salaries for Hooisers and keeping the cost of living lower or more stable for Indiana compared to its neighboring states.

[Broadrippleguy]

Originally Posted by NewOrleanianLA1

I've lived in Louisiana my entire life and it is a right to work state. I don't know anything about unions except the fact that it can help the working men to have their ways by exercising their rights as a member of the union.

By the way, I found good comparsions:



According to the United States Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, Occupational Employment Statistics, May 2010 Occupational Employment and Wages Estimates htt://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oessrcst.htm . Comparing the average medium hourly wage of all 22 Right to Work States (RTW) and all 28 Collective-Bargaining States (CBS) as of May 2010.

• CBS all occupations average $22.73
• RTW all occupations average $18.86 a difference of $3.87 an hour
• CBS Middle School Teachers average $56,784 annual
• RTW Middle School Teachers average $47,862 annual a difference of $8922
• CBS Registered Nurses average $34.69
• RTW Registered Nurses average $29.08 a difference of $5.62
• CBS Sheet-Metal Workers average $24.56
• RTW Sheet-Metal Workers average $19.09 a difference of $5.47
• CBS third-quarter 2011 cost-of-living $117.03
• RTW third-quarter 2011 cost-of-living $94.46 a difference of $22.58

It looks like it would mean lower wages/salaries for Hooisers and keeping the cost of living lower or more stable for Indiana compared to its neighboring states.

Plus you gotta weigh on your paycheck by not paying Union Dues.

[ccc123]

I think in the long run it will be a bad decision for Indiana and will not make a difference in attracting new jobs.