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Old 08-15-2009, 09:37 AM
 
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Apparently “demagogue” is the new flavor of the week to vilify law-abiding citizens opposing amnesty. What happened to the “rule of law,” Mr. President?



CNSNews.com - Speaking in Mexico, Obama Calls American Opponents of Immigration Amnesty ‘Demagogues’ (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52527 - broken link)
How do you know every citizen who opposes "amnesty" is law abiding? Shawna forde and her thugs come in mind?
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Old 08-15-2009, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Blame that one on George Bush and his wars. Obama has nothing to do with America not being liked or respected. He has even done a better Job of uplifting America's image around the world since he became president. Obama is absolutely right that there are demagogues on this issue, and sorry that your feelings are hurt that he pointed that out.

Confidence in Obama Lifts U.S. Image Around the World: Overview - Pew Global Attitudes Project
FYI: being anti illegal immigration does not make one a demagogue.

If anything: suggesting amnesty for illegal aliens especially factoring in ID theft, non reporting of income etc. that would land an American in jail smacks of demagoguery unto itself.
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Old 08-15-2009, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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How do you know every citizen who opposes "amnesty" is law abiding? Shawna forde and her thugs come in mind?
What about that racist pig, Angel Gutierrez? He is a traitor IMHO and it would not surprise me that he may have incited several of his sheeple to hurt/kill especially American Blacks.

As for Forde: she needs to be dealt with accordingly under US law.
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Old 08-15-2009, 09:43 AM
 
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Blame that one on George Bush and his wars. Obama has nothing to do with America not being liked or respected. He has even done a better Job of uplifting America's image around the world since he became president. Obama is absolutely right that there are demagogues on this issue, and sorry that your feelings are hurt that he pointed that out.

Confidence in Obama Lifts U.S. Image Around the World: Overview - Pew Global Attitudes Project
Of course Obama is popular overseas. When they shout, "America s**ks!", he says, "Yep, you are right, we do!".

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Old 08-15-2009, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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My opinion is that we'll see full amnesty with immediate right to vote. This will happen right before 2012 elections which will basically GUARANTEE a re-election of the current administration.

Maybe that Mayan 12/21/2012 date for the end of "something" is not so tin foil ???
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Old 08-15-2009, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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FYI: being anti illegal immigration does not make one a demagogue.
Obama himself is a demagogue and is pitting Americans against each other and it's getting worse with each new proposal he suggests to Congress.

Tell me this doesn't describe our President when he talks about any issue:
"a person, esp. an orator or political leader, who gains power and popularity by arousing the emotions, passions, and prejudices of the people."

definition from: Demagogue Definition | Definition of Demagogue at Dictionary.com
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Old 08-15-2009, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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How do you know every citizen who opposes "amnesty" is law abiding? Shawna forde and her thugs come in mind?
The pro-illegal obsession with Shawna Forde is a glaring indication of the lack of substantive arguments to counter opposition to illegal immigration. The woman has been charged with murder, and they are seeking the death penalty for her crimes. This is more than can be said about thousands of illegal alien murderous scumbags who continue to freely wreak havoc on citizens of this country. When did the behavior of “one” person opposed to illegal immigration become representative of all? Isn’t that what you lovers of lawlessness constantly whine about when discussing illegal alien miscreants?

No, not all antis are law-abiding; nor are all pros. However, to label all who oppose illegal immigration and amnesty as demagogues, is in fact vilifying millions of law-abiding citizens whose opposition to this invasion is based on sound judgment, facts, respect for the rule of law, and love for this country.

When the president of this country proclaims in a foreign land that ALL opposed to amnesty for illegal aliens are demagogues, he has in fact denigrated a segment of this society to the world. Of course, this is simply another attempt to silence opposition. When citizens of this country are no longer free to peacefully dissent, it should be disconcerting to all.

Tell me, can you honestly state that if Obama fails to pass CIR or your beloved DREAM Act, you and your cohorts will continue to sing his praises? Or, will you voice your opposition and become one of the “undesirables?” After all, if you don’t agree with this administration, you automatically become whatever terminology Obama and his minions deem appropriate for vilification purposes. You only support him because you believe he will legalize illegal aliens. What if he doesn’t? Remember, he is first and foremost a politician; and politicians do what is best for them.
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Old 08-15-2009, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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My opinion is that we'll see full amnesty with immediate right to vote. This will happen right before 2012 elections which will basically GUARANTEE a re-election of the current administration.

Maybe that Mayan 12/21/2012 date for the end of "something" is not so tin foil ???
I doubt that-----------unless the USA takes control of Mexico and possibly Guatemala along with Belize; lock, stock and barrel.
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Old 08-15-2009, 12:23 PM
 
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The pro-illegal obsession with Shawna Forde is a glaring indication of the lack of substantive arguments to counter opposition to illegal immigration. The woman has been charged with murder, and they are seeking the death penalty for her crimes. This is more than can be said about thousands of illegal alien murderous scumbags who continue to freely wreak havoc on citizens of this country. When did the behavior of “one” person opposed to illegal immigration become representative of all? Isn’t that what you lovers of lawlessness constantly whine about when discussing illegal alien miscreants?

No, not all antis are law-abiding; nor are all pros.
Then why did you try to portray them as such in the first place?

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However, to label all who oppose illegal immigration and amnesty as demagogues, is in fact vilifying millions of law-abiding citizens whose opposition to this invasion is based on sound judgment, facts, respect for the rule of law, and love for this country.
So vilifying those who support a fair, humane comprehensive immigration reform based on sound judgment, facts, respect for the rule of law, and love for this country is okay? Because that is what you guys do to anyone who has a different point of view concerning this issue.
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Old 08-15-2009, 12:42 PM
 
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You only support him because you believe he will legalize illegal aliens. What if he doesn’t? Remember, he is first and foremost a politician; and politicians do what is best for them.
Since when did you become omniscience Benicar? My support for him is based on a myriad of issues, not on just one issue. I believe one issue voters are pretty pathetic...don't you?
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