Immigration - A New Perspective (visa, illegally, employment, Mexico)
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Thus the problem. Why should their property rights be violated by the government, yet yours' protected? Why should the federal government have any say over the use of or the ownership of any property? Should not the inalienable rights pertain to all humans instead of just Americans?
It's not a problem. Their property right aren't being violated. They can use it for residential purposes, or anything else the zoning laws allow.
PERSONALLY, however, THEY can't live there, and THAT has nothing to do with their property rights. You would see an immigration lawyer about that problem, not a property lawyer.
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Originally Posted by Amaznjohn
Why would you not want to stop all immigration since you are afraid of them increasing housing prices?
You're getting me confused with someone else. I don't care about high housing prices, but I think we'll be having less "foreign ownership" now that banks aren't handing out home loans like condoms at planned parenthood.
It's not a problem. Their property right aren't being violated. They can use it for residential purposes, or anything else the zoning laws allow.
PERSONALLY, however, THEY can't live there, and THAT has nothing to do with their property rights. You would see an immigration lawyer about that problem, not a property lawyer.
You're getting me confused with someone else. I don't care about high housing prices, but I think we'll be having less "foreign ownership" now that banks aren't handing out home loans like condoms at planned parenthood.
I think he's joking ... we need to get a sense of humor you know ...
It's not a problem. Their property right aren't being violated. They can use it for residential purposes, or anything else the zoning laws allow.
PERSONALLY, however, THEY can't live there, and THAT has nothing to do with their property rights. You would see an immigration lawyer about that problem, not a property lawyer.
I believe when anyone is not allowed to live on the land they own that their property rights are being violated. Would you not say the same if the government told you that you couldn't live on your land? Zoning laws is another violation of property rights.
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You're getting me confused with someone else. I don't care about high housing prices, but I think we'll be having less "foreign ownership" now that banks aren't handing out home loans like condoms at planned parenthood.
I believe when anyone is not allowed to live on the land they own that their property rights are being violated. Would you not say the same if the government told you that you couldn't live on your land? Zoning laws is another violation of property rights.
Nope. Again, your confusing two areas of law. Property rights attach to and effect the LAND itself, and the uses of that land, not to the individual owning that land.
A prisoner cannot live on the land he owns, but that doesn't violate his property rights. An illegal immigrant cannot live on the land he owns, but that isn't a function of the property.
Libertarianism is an ideal, but cannot be a reality in today's broken society. Because there are few values and moral standards left or taught, there are vast numbers of the lawless who would run amok. That brand of liberty only belongs in a society of SELF monitored individuals. We no longer live in such a place.
I think he's joking ... we need to get a sense of humor you know ...
Unfortunately, this is NOT a joke. I think all humans should be afforded the same rights and treated the same. By preventing foreigners from living on land they have purchased is not only a violation of their property rights but discriminatory.
This is one of the reasons I asked for input specifically from Libertarians and/or true fiscal conservative who believe in limited government. These individuals understand the dangers of an intrusive government and, I believe, would agree with my perspective if logically walked through my argument.
These individuals understand the dangers of an intrusive government and, I believe, would agree with my perspective if logically walked through my argument.
But youre completely entangling distinct issues.
You can buy a car, but if you don't have a license to drive, you can't drive the car. That is NOT violating your right to use your property. There's good reason to not allow unlicensed drivers to drive, just as there's good reason to not allow people who haven't been screened to come live in the US on their "land" just because they happened to be able to afford that land. That is no way to run an immigration policy.
To claim that disallowing people who aren't permitted to live in the United States the right to live on land they purchased is "big government intrusion" on property rights is a huge stretch, and doesn't exactly ring the alarm of trampled freedoms.
Nope. Again, your confusing two areas of law. Property rights attach to and effect the LAND itself, and the uses of that land, not to the individual owning that land.
A prisoner cannot live on the land he owns, but that doesn't violate his property rights. An illegal immigrant cannot live on the land he owns, but that isn't a function of the property.
I'm not addressing current law. I'm addressing a philosophy that believes that ALL indivduals have the same rights to utilize their own property as they like, not just Americans. A prisoner has violated the property rights of another and has therefore temporarily, in most cases, relinquished his/her rights to freedom of movement and others. Therefore, this argument is not valid.
Without reading each post, I can say that the anti illegal group seeks greater government involvement. Not the bailiwick of the conservative, more in line with the socialist. It is obvious too that they are not too fond of the free enterprise system. Closet Socialists I thinks.
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