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Also, thanks for pointing out the incredible depreciation for me.
Sub-par compared to what? It is not sub par in its class. I can buy a used 2002 BMW 325i for $12k as well but the person buying an Elantra may not want to buy used and is obviously looking at a different type of vehicle.
No one questions the resale value on Hyundai's and I hope it continues because its purely due to ignorance. I only buy used vehicles and that means I can pick up a used Genesis 4.6 in a few years at a huge cost savings!
Sub-par compared to what? It is not sub par in its class. I can buy a used 2002 BMW 325i for $12k as well but the person buying an Elantra may not want to buy used and is obviously looking at a different type of vehicle.
No one questions the resale value on Hyundai's and I hope it continues because its purely due to ignorance. I only buy used vehicles and that means I can pick up a used Genesis 4.6 in a few years at a huge cost savings!
You go with your bad self.
I'll take a better car with more amenities and something approaching comfort and NVH engineering for not much more money.
Of course not - or at least it's not supposed to be.
But I think you might be mistaken in what you think most people call a rice burner. Around here it's the 4-cylinder cars that the young 'uns lower, tune up, put air dams on, and race.
Many of those cars are Asian built, and many are not - such as Escorts, Cavaliers, Neons, GTIs, etc.
Rice burner, or rice rocket, refers to a style of car, not the country in which it was manufactured.
Of course not - or at least it's not supposed to be.
But I think you might be mistaken in what you think most people call a rice burner. Around here it's the 4-cylinder cars that the young 'uns lower, tune up, put air dams on, and race.
Many of those cars are Asian built, and many are not - such as Escorts, Cavaliers, Neons, GTIs, etc.
Rice burner, or rice rocket, refers to a style of car, not the country in which it was manufactured.
The wordage shifts depending on who you speak to. In the automotive community the poorly modified vehicles with ugly body kits, etc are rice rockets. Whether or not someone will find that term offensive is up to debate and originally it was used to single out Asian makes. Today, the term rice rocket is applied to any vehicle that is modified in poor taste and also used by some ignorant people (traditionally preferring American makes) who considering any Japanese vehicle to be a rice rocket. I would consider calling a vehicle manufactured by an Asian company a rice rocket simply because of its Asian origins to be offensive to some people (I know my Anthropology teacher would have a ball with this). For various reasons other people my interpret this differently. I can tell you right now that if I walked into the local Toyota dealership and asked a salesman to show me some of these rice burners I’d definitely get some offended looks. It may work differently elsewhere.
This is my observation. Hyundai has always been junk, and they still are. My friends sister bought a brand new Hyundai Excel back in 1988. Right after the warranty expired, one of the cylinders went bad. Right before it hit 50,000, the engine gave out completely, and it was headed to the junkyard. Flash forward a few years, and things have changed for the better as far as performance and looks, but reliability is still sub par. I actually like the 2003+ Tiburon with the v6. The new v8 Genesis, ditto. Still, the truth of the matter is, the Honda and Toyota models have gone way downhill in reliability, while Hyundai has actually stayed the same. Because of this, it makes the Hyundai look good, but in reality, all, including the Honda and Toyota's are junk now. I would not doubt a new Hyundai is a better car than a Toyota or Honda, but that isn't saying much.
Unfortunately, I have a preconceived notion about Hyundai's...I remember them in the early 80's and they were junk. But...if CR recommends them, they must be doing something right. If an automaker makes a piece of junk and then continues to try until they get it right, my hat goes off to them!!! I love most things Asian...after all, I drive a Toyota which I love.
Hyundai has had the Elantra and Accent picked by CR a number of years now. The Sonata and Santa Fe have had their share of "recommended buys" and now you're going to see the Genesis and Veracruz as contenders.
The quality is there and the reputation has been shifting but not enough to drive up prices so they're still great values. Hyundai-Kia is gaining market share every month in the U.S. and they're now the 5th best-selling motor group. That's even with less interest in the NA market than most other brands. Hyundai-Kia was mostly unaffected by the U.S.'s economic woes because they put priority in other markets like China, Russia, India, and Brazil, where they're doing very well.
Consumer Reports January 2009 - What people think is reliable vs. what brands actually are reliable.
Brand Perception ‹ Top 10
1. Toyota
2. Honda
3. Ford
4. Cadillac
5. Mercedes-Benz
6. GMC
7. Lexus
8. BMW
9. Chevrolet
10. Volvo
Brand Reliability ‹ Top 10
1. Scion
2. Acura
3. Honda
4. Toyota
5. Lexus
6. Infiniti
7. Subaru
8. Hyundai
9. Mitsubishi
10. Kia
This is my observation. Hyundai has always been junk, and they still are. My friends sister bought a brand new Hyundai Excel back in 1988. Right after the warranty expired, one of the cylinders went bad. Right before it hit 50,000, the engine gave out completely, and it was headed to the junkyard. Flash forward a few years, and things have changed for the better as far as performance and looks, but reliability is still sub par. I actually like the 2003+ Tiburon with the v6. The new v8 Genesis, ditto. Still, the truth of the matter is, the Honda and Toyota models have gone way downhill in reliability, while Hyundai has actually stayed the same. Because of this, it makes the Hyundai look good, but in reality, all, including the Honda and Toyota's are junk now. I would not doubt a new Hyundai is a better car than a Toyota or Honda, but that isn't saying much.
Oh yeah? So your experience dates back to 1988 (when they really where junk) and somehow you have the reliability data to discount the newly released Genesis as a poorly made vehicle? I guess I found the one person in the world with a time machine. I owned a 2002 Hyundai Accent for a few years (my first car) and put some heavy abuse on it (30k miles every year, hit redline, etc). I never had a single issue with the car and would gladly own another one as a beater/commuter. The cars they make have only gotten better since 2002 which easily puts Hyundai among my top picks.
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which I love.
