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I still have my 2002 Kia Optima as my work car. It served me well at 170.000 miles now. Only major replacement was the exhaust system and valves. Which was my fault. It was always dependable.
MckinneyOwnr doesn't seem to understand that their experience does not represent all user experiences of said car manufacturer. Every car mfg has lemons.
But look at overall reliability ratings. I think Kia and Hyundai are getting better. We all know they were throw away cars as soon as 10 years ago. I think they have made strides and their sales and ratings prove it.
No, I have never owned one but from what I read they are solidly built and reliable. I also don't doubt for one minute McKinneyOwnr had a bad experience with her car.
Even Toyota and Honda produce lemons on occasion. My father was a Toyota loyalist (Toyotalist?) until he bought two Toyota lemons in a row. Now he won't go near them. I had two Hondas. While the second one most certainly wasn't a "lemon," it also, IMO, didn't live up to the Honda reputation for reliability. So I've moved on to Hyundai. If it proves to be a disappointment (so far, so good,) I'll move on to something else.
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Even Toyota and Honda produce lemons on occasion. My father was a Toyota loyalist (Toyotalist?) until he bought two two Toyota lemons in a row. Now he won't go near them. I had two Hondas. While the second one most certainly wasn't a "lemon," it also, IMO, didn't live up to the Honda reputation for reliability. So I've moved on to Hyundai. If it proves to be a disappointment (so far, so good,) I'll move on to something else.
That's exactly it. I've had great experiences with two Hyundai's although I believe full well that some owners would feel differently. On the other hand I've had awful reliability experiences with Honda and Nissan/Infiniti although I also understand that there is a good chance I can buy a car from one of those makes and not experience issues.
MckinneyOwnr doesn't seem to understand that their experience does not represent all user experiences of said car manufacturer. Every car mfg has lemons.
I never said my experience is representative for everyone. You are COMPLETELY missing the point. I'm not talking lemons here either.
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But look at overall reliability ratings. I think Kia and Hyundai are getting better. We all know they were throw away cars as soon as 10 years ago. I think they have made strides and their sales and ratings prove it.
Now here you are, coming right out and saying that they were "throw away" cars just 10 years ago. Hmm. So they weren't great cars then, but now, they are?
EVERY auto manufacturer has continually improved (or at least, that's supposed to be the goal) their cars over time. Some manufacturers have failed at that. Look at Mitsubishi. Their cars were a lot more desirable 10-20 years ago than they are now. In fact, they've basically taken Hyundai/Kia's spot in the automotive hierarchy. But when everyone has improved their cars, that means that even an improvement by a manufacturer still leaves them in the same position among car brands. In this case, the value/budget brand category.
It's a lot like going to Maaco for a paint job. Even a Maaco paint job can look great right when it's done and new, and it doesn't cost hardly any money at all. But fast forward a couple years and that paint job is looking horrible. That's about the experience you will have with any budget priced car, and Hyundai/Kia is no exception to this.
I traded my Sorento to save on gas for a KIA Forte Koupe.....I love both and wish I would have kept the Sorento too. I have had no problems with my Forte it just rides really ruff...a small bump in the road seems like a huge pothole!! That's the only thing, but I'd but another
Now here you are, coming right out and saying that they were "throw away" cars just 10 years ago. Hmm. So they weren't great cars then, but now, they are?
That is EXACTLY what I am saying. A 2002 Hyundai is vastly different than a 2012 Hyundai. Like I said in a previous post, I believe the tipping point was their fifth generation (2004 or 2005) Hyundai Sonata. That's when they started looking at building cars to last and not just bottom of the rung type of cars.
But over the course of ownership, any car can become a "great car" to its owner depending on how well it has met the needs and criteria of its owner.
That is the disconnect you and I have then. If a car doesn't start out as a great car, then it's never going to become one to me simply for fulfilling the purpose it was designed for. It may be a reliable car, for meeting my needs continually, not breaking down, hauling things around, etc. Perhaps I'm being a stickler for this, but as others have pointed out, it's a matter of "perspective." I guess most posting here don't actually have that.
My first "great" car I had was a BMW 5 series. Handling was superb, yadda yadda yadda. It also could get me from point A to point B.
My grandmother had a Chevy Celebrity. No amount of driving that thing, or the longevity of it will EVER make someone say that car was a great car. It was a POS that also managed to get someone from point A to point B.
That is EXACTLY what I am saying. A 2002 Hyundai is vastly different than a 2012 Hyundai. Like I said in a previous post, I believe the tipping point was their fifth generation (2004 or 2005) Hyundai Sonata. That's when they started looking at building cars to last and not just bottom of the rung type of cars.
Yup, the 'NF' Sonata which came out in 2006 made the earlier ones seem like cheap junk, but really the 'YF' that came out in 2011 was the biggest improvement. These cars finally have a smooth and reliable automatic transmission that was designed completely "in house" by Hyundai.
Same with the Elantra, the 2011 and newer models are a MAJOR advancement over the older ones.
Yup, the 'NF' Sonata which came out in 2006 made the earlier ones seem like cheap junk, but really the 'YF' that came out in 2011 was the biggest improvement. These cars finally have a smooth and reliable automatic transmission that was designed completely "in house" by Hyundai.
Same with the Elantra, the 2011 and newer models are a MAJOR advancement over the older ones.
Yep. MckinneyOwnr seems to think a tiger can't change their stripes.
Just back from the dealer and the 2015 Sedona is over the top. Well thought out product.
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