Houston, New Eldorado for Vietnamese Americans ? (Dallas, Fort Worth: how much, living, move to)

[HugeTon]

Originally Posted by RenaudFR

I think that will be stronger in this decade
We'll reach about 500,000 asians in Houston in 2020, it's more than Honolulu, a very asian gateway in the US

quite possibly. I have no doubt that H-town will gain to that number. Way to go. H-town rocks!

[DANNYY]

Originally Posted by 0815

Ellis Iland = Third World immigrants? Not what I learnt in history class.

I wouldn't describe it as 3rd world countries since the term "3rd world" came from after WWII and the establishment of the United Nations.

But when the immigration was taking place in NYC at the time, Italians and Polish, basically any country from Eastern and Southern Europe was considered poor. They were also flocking into the US in large numbers, which is when the term "melting pot" was first used, as these people got low paying industrial jobs and lived in slum like areas of NYC. Many of them mixed with one another, which is why the term "melting pot" was coined to explain the diversity and unity of cultures and at that time it specifically was used for NYC.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

I should point out that this article is three years old.

But yes, Houston is the city 'de jour for Vietnamese Americans. The same way Atlanta is Koreans and Dallas is for Indians.

Texas is home to the 3rd and 4th largest Vietnamese communities in the US (Houston being 3rd with about 81,000 and DFW being 4th with about 70,000).

Here is are the largest international resident gainers from 2000 for reference:

1) New York City/Northern New Jersey/Long Island: 1,116,151
2) Los Angeles/Long Beach/Orange County: 832,679
3) Miami/Fort Lauderdale/West Palm Beach: 522,009
4) Chicago/Naperville/Joilet: 377,959
5) Dallas/Fort Worth/Arlington: 335,202
6) Washington DC/Arlington/Alexandria: 320,474
7) Houston/Sugarland/Baytown: 299,635
8) San Francisco/Oakland: 266,519
9) Phoenix/Scottsdale/Mesa: 220,456
10) Atlanta/Sandy Springs/Marietta: 214,608
11) Boston/Cambridge/Quincy: 197,462
12) San Jose-Santa Clara-Sunnyvale MSA - 176,435
13) Seattle/Tacoma/Bellveue: 131,366
14) Philadelphia/Camden/Wilmington: 127,055
15) San Diego/Carlsbad/San Marcos: 103,448
16) Orlando/Kissimmiee: 98,233
17) Denver/Auora/Boulder: 97,815
18) Detroit/Livonia/Warren: 96,955
19) Riverside/San Bernadino: 94,396
20) Las Vegas/Henderson: 88,439
21) Minneapolis/St. Paul: 87,293

Here is are the total foreign born numbers as of 2007:

Foreign Born Population, 2007
New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA 5,766,996
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA 5,585,752
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 2,150,710
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 2,005,119
Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI 1,688,002
Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-VA-MD-WV 1,312,677
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX 1,218,480
Dallas-Ft Worth, TX 1,114,113
Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-NH 1,031,258
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ 736,068
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL 707,091

As for those just born in Asia:

Born in Asia, 2007
Los Angeles 1,709,241
New York 1,518,011
San Francisco 1,105,357
Washington DC 461,395
Chicago 394,767
Boston 272,040
Houston 244,274
Dallas 228,209
Detroit 210,490
Philadelphia 198,021
Atlanta 176,671
Miami 103,147

Here is another article on the counties in Texas and their demographic change as of 2007:

http://www.swingstateproject.com/sho...o?diaryId=2597

[Wonderful Jellal]

Originally Posted by LAnative10

I should point out that this article is three years old.

But yes, Houston is the city 'de jour for Vietnamese Americans. The same way Atlanta is Koreans and Dallas is for Indians.

Texas is home to the 3rd and 4th largest Vietnamese communities in the US (Houston being 3rd with about 81,000 and DFW being 4th with about 70,000).

Here is are the largest international resident gainers from 2000 for reference:

1) New York City/Northern New Jersey/Long Island: 1,116,151
2) Los Angeles/Long Beach/Orange County: 832,679
3) Miami/Fort Lauderdale/West Palm Beach: 522,009
4) Chicago/Naperville/Joilet: 377,959
5) Dallas/Fort Worth/Arlington: 335,202
6) Washington DC/Arlington/Alexandria: 320,474
7) Houston/Sugarland/Baytown: 299,635
8) San Francisco/Oakland: 266,519
9) Phoenix/Scottsdale/Mesa: 220,456
10) Atlanta/Sandy Springs/Marietta: 214,608
11) Boston/Cambridge/Quincy: 197,462
12) San Jose-Santa Clara-Sunnyvale MSA - 176,435
13) Seattle/Tacoma/Bellveue: 131,366
14) Philadelphia/Camden/Wilmington: 127,055
15) San Diego/Carlsbad/San Marcos: 103,448
16) Orlando/Kissimmiee: 98,233
17) Denver/Auora/Boulder: 97,815
18) Detroit/Livonia/Warren: 96,955
19) Riverside/San Bernadino: 94,396
20) Las Vegas/Henderson: 88,439
21) Minneapolis/St. Paul: 87,293

Here is are the total foreign born numbers as of 2007:

Foreign Born Population, 2007
New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA 5,766,996
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA 5,585,752
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 2,150,710
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 2,005,119
Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI 1,688,002
Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-VA-MD-WV 1,312,677
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX 1,218,480
Dallas-Ft Worth, TX 1,114,113
Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-NH 1,031,258
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ 736,068
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL 707,091

As for those just born in Asia:

Born in Asia, 2007
Los Angeles 1,709,241
New York 1,518,011
San Francisco 1,105,357
Washington DC 461,395
Chicago 394,767
Boston 272,040
Houston 244,274
Dallas 228,209
Detroit 210,490
Philadelphia 198,021
Atlanta 176,671
Miami 103,147

Here is another article on the counties in Texas and their demographic change as of 2007:

Swing State Project: Demographic Sea Change in Texas

Interesting numbers

[HugeTon]

[quote=LAnative10;14325399]I should point out that this article is three years old.

So what are you trying to say? Because it's three years old, the number of Vietnamese influx into Houston might have trippled than what has been reported three years ago, or are you trying to justify that Dallas also is a growing city with Asians migration.

Interesting numbers and source though. Good work.

[hsw]

All jobs or immigrants are not created equal

Any casual analysis of SF or LA or NYC reveals many Chinese or Viet or Indian/Paki or Mexican or whatever immigrants (many illegal) who show no upward mobility and are taxpayer parasites of dubious net economic value "working" as $100K+/yr bus drivers or unionized, overpaid gvt employees or running small businesses of dubious legality (often w/suspect taxpaying) or living on welfare

Hou would benefit if CA's Chevron or Occidental moved its HQ to suburban Hou, bringing many high-income jobs and tax dollars....or if legal immigrants who are petroleum/chemical/civil engineering grad students at Stanford/Berkeley migrated to Hou for jobs in oil&gas industry

But, like most things in life, top <10% of any population are dramatically more valuable than bottom 90% in economic or intellectual relevance to any region in world, so raw population stats are often useless and usu contra-indicators of economic productivity (China or India's population dwarfs that of US, yet either has trivial per capita money or IQ, whether comparing medians or comparing top 10% crowd)

After all, SiliconValley arguably has world's highest concentration of wealth and IQ around PaloAlto area, yet population of engineers, entrepreneurs and execs (and their families) in SV is <250K people (SF region is ~6MM), perhaps 50% of whom are legal immigrants who came to US for engineering grad school from places like India...IQ and ambition born anywhere in world migrate to best economic/career opportunities: natural selection

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

[quote=HugeTon;14339388]

Originally Posted by LAnative10

I should point out that this article is three years old.

So what are you trying to say? Because it's three years old, the number of Vietnamese influx into Houston might have trippled than what has been reported three years ago, or are you trying to justify that Dallas also is a growing city with Asians migration.

Interesting numbers and source though. Good work.

No that wasnt my intent. That hasnt changed. Houston has a huge Vietnamese community and its is a very attractive place for Vietnamese people. I pointed that out in my post.

Both Houston and Dallas are booming with Asian immigrants and both are booming with Vietnamese and South Asian (Indian and Pakistani) immigrants. In recent years, Houston is more exclusively popular with Chinese and Filipinos. In recent years, Dallas is more popular with Koreans and the other Southeast Asian nations (Thailand, Cambodia, and Laos).

[Wonderful Jellal]

Why Koreans prefer Dallas ?

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by RenaudFR

Why Koreans prefer Dallas ?

I don't know, but they do. Its hard to say why any group prefers one city over another.

For example some groups may exist in larger number in one city, but still have a very large presence in another. For example, there are more Vietnamese in Houston, but there are still tons in Dallas. There are more Indians in Dallas, but there are still tons in Houston.

Then there are those groups that prefer one city to another by a large number. For example, the Filipino population of Houston is about double that of Dallas. By the same token, the Korean population of Dallas is about double that of Houston (Dallas is home to the three most famous Korean-American male golfers-YE Yang, KJ Choi, and Antony Kim, but I doubt that has anything to do with why Koreans prefer Dallas). There are also about 15,000-20,000 more Chinese in Houston than Dallas, but Dallas has about 7,000 more Laotians and 3,000 more Khmer (I mention these because there are so few of them in the County period).

Why is this the case? I don't know.

[Trae713]

Originally Posted by LAnative10

I don't know, but they do. Its hard to say why any group prefers one city over another.

For example some groups may exist in larger number in one city, but still have a very large presence in another. For example, there are more Vietnamese in Houston, but there are still tons in Dallas. There are more Indians in Dallas, but there are still tons in Houston.

Then there are those groups that prefer one city to another by a large number. For example, the Filipino population of Houston is about double that of Dallas. By the same token, the Korean population of Dallas is about double that of Houston (Dallas is home to the three most famous Korean-American male golfers-YE Yang, KJ Choi, and Antony Kim, but I doubt that has anything to do with why Koreans prefer Dallas). There are also about 15,000-20,000 more Chinese in Houston than Dallas, but Dallas has about 7,000 more Laotians and 3,000 more Khmer (I mention these because there are so few of them in the County period).

Why is this the case? I don't know.

Dallas has about 4,000 more Indians than Houston. 80K to 76K, IIRC.

Edit: Found these:

Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX Metro Area - ACS Demographic and Housing Estimates: 2008

Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metro Area - ACS Demographic and Housing Estimates: 2008