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On the boats being moved around, the Kursk was not launched until 1994 and according to all sources was always based in the Northern Fleet and only went to sea twice. First in 1999 to observe US naval actions in the Mediteranean during the Kosovo war and again to take part in the exercise that led to it's destruction.
As for the hole, it was widely reported that it was part of the salvage operation, if not for the raising of the sub, then for the cutting chain used to remove the forward part of the boat before it was raised. Regardless of the holes purpose it was cut during the recovery.
It could not have been a Mk48 torpedo, because this torpedo is what is known as a "keel breaker". It uses a 650lb. warhead and is designed to detonate in proximity to an enemy ship. It uses the concussive blast to shatter the ship, hence "splitting the keel". If it was a Mk48 that was fired at Kursk then the ship would have been blown in half.
This is a test firing of the Mk48 against the HMAS Torrens done in 1999:
US subs only carry Mk48's and Mk48's only use high explosive warheads. The only US torpedos that use shaped charge warheads are the Mk50 and Mk54 "lightweight" torpedos which are fired from surface ships and aircraft. Since there were no US surface ships or aircraft firing at the Kursk, it is impossible that it was a US torpedo.
Taking that a step further, if it was a US torpedo, it would have exploded outward in a conical manner once it entered the ship. Why then, is everything around the impact hole save for the forward section completely undamaged?
Last, but not least, you have yet to find a convincing reason why this would have happened and why it would have been so vigorously covered up.
The project Antey 14 submarines .12-was built. 10 - built in Russia (not in the USSR) 2 - complete construction. Kursk is not the last submarine of this project.(there is a newer)
1-submarine of the Northern fleet went to sea, and periodically conducted a missile launch at the test site in Kamchatka. So how and Kamchatka.(and not only) My uncle served in the The submarine Kursk!!!!!!! (she безвылозно was in the seasWalked on the sea all the time (carried combat duty) And in 99 she was again came with the launches of missiles, but instead of the crew of the rest of them was driven back into the sea at the Global teaching (my uncle went on vacation for 2 weeks, as the submarine was Voronezh) its Main boat Voronezh.(the same project)
2 - In the 90-ies and today the boat is moved to the submarine base and change the home port and it often. With the Northern fleet in Kamchatka many boats photos already laid out. And Kamchatka in the Northern-this is another fact that they go if You don't believe.
3 - Kursk in 1995 only was launched наводу. 1995 adopted in the Navy of Russia.
4 - type of torpedo мк48 this is one of the possible no more than that.
5 - hole NOT a TECHNOLOGICAL (AND it is in a dangerous proximity to the missile silos complex Granite.)
6 In 2005, celebrated 5 years from the day of death of a submarine. In one of his interviews the former commander of the Northern fleet Admiral Vyacheslav Popov on the question of the correspondent of the death of the submarine «Kursk» said suddenly:
«I know the truth about the Kursk, but still not time to tell her.»
7 - nuclear submarine «Kursk» raised from the bottom of the Barents sea without the first compartment. Relatives of the dead sailors told that there are explosives, therefore, to lift the compartment on the surface dangerous. Compartment remained at the scene of the accident.
And then the atomic submarine «Kursk» was moved to the island, cut-pieces and melted down.(this is a lie! There may not stay explosives)
8 - in the first compartment of a submarine were evidence and the true reasons for the incident. But to pick it up even did not want to. why? this would put everything in its place. Lift it was not difficult.
9 the True reasons we will never know, even years after 50.
so this is all just guesses of what is happening. But from the evidence rid of completely.
10 with regard to.
There were many versions But the version with a torpedo old, not even fit and was immediately rejected by the experts.
But some time later stated that it was an old torpedo.
Did they ever invent any technology of their own or did they steal it all from America and Germany?
As you are naive. List of examples of inventions of the USSR and Russia. - TV is the first and television Broadcasting (television was invented in the USSR. You didn't know? Computer. Robots controlled remotely (the first far this Lunokhod, America declared at the out exception was considered not possible) - the USSR showed and proved, No one except Russia is not able to hold the orbit of the space stations. (build modules for this) And the Basis of ISS a Russian docking unit, without which the station will fall apartю,Project-Tokamak-the whole world said that it is not possible to receive energy. in the USSR showed and proved ,can continue ?
Rather, on the contrary on sale You and we are not with You. In the USSR there were such technologies that America was it not under force. The world today Uses the technology of the USSR and Russia. Тorpedoes storm, it was invented in 1980, America learned about it only in 1995. And thought as always, that this is not possible. But at this time there were already new generation of these torpedoes. And these technologies no and today America has anyone else How can you steal From those who do not have this?
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No one except Russia is not able to hold the orbit of the space stations. (build modules for this) And the Basis of ISS a Russian docking unit, without which the station will fall apartю.
That was given to the Russians because NASA and Euro's couldn't trust Russia to make any other module on time... or correctly. Even then they still had to do a massive amount of redesign to their own modules just to get connected in the first place.
Add in the fact that the Russian portion of the ISS needs more repair work then the rest of the thing put together...
National Pride is all well and good, but some of us prefer to dwell in Facts.
The project Antey 14 submarines .12-was built. 10 - built in Russia (not in the USSR) 2 - complete construction. Kursk is not the last submarine of this project.(there is a newer)
There are three that are newere; Tomsk, Omsk and Tver. These ships are all assigned to the Pacific Fleet. Kursk was the newest boat in the Northern Fleet and the first built in the post-Soviet era.
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1-submarine of the Northern fleet went to sea, and periodically conducted a missile launch at the test site in Kamchatka. So how and Kamchatka.(and not only) My uncle served in the The submarine Kursk!!!!!!! (she безвылозно was in the seasWalked on the sea all the time (carried combat duty) And in 99 she was again came with the launches of missiles, but instead of the crew of the rest of them was driven back into the sea at the Global teaching (my uncle went on vacation for 2 weeks, as the submarine was Voronezh) its Main boat Voronezh.(the same project)
I have no idea if boats went to Kamchatka or not to conduct tests. I really don't see how it is material to the dicussion. On top of that, it is widely known and reported that in 1999 Kursk was on operations in the Mediteranean observing US fleet movements during the Kosovo War. It was the first time a Soviet sub operated outside of Soviet territorial waters since the collapse of the USSR.
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2 - In the 90-ies and today the boat is moved to the submarine base and change the home port and it often. With the Northern fleet in Kamchatka many boats photos already laid out. And Kamchatka in the Northern-this is another fact that they go if You don't believe.
Again, what does it matter?
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3 - Kursk in 1995 only was launched наводу. 1995 adopted in the Navy of Russia.
Kursk was launched May 16th, 1994 and commissioned on December 30th, 1994.
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4 - type of torpedo мк48 this is one of the possible no more than that.
Since the Mk48 is the only torpedo carried on US subs and I already laid out exactly what that weapon would have done to Kursk, what are the other possibilities?
If we go back to that it was a collision, then what is the hole that supposedly shows a torpedo for?
5 - hole NOT a TECHNOLOGICAL (AND it is in a dangerous proximity to the missile silos complex Granite.)
It's not that close. Here's a picture of the wreck with the missile doors open. They had to remove the front end of the ship to raise it, that is what the hole was for...
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6 In 2005, celebrated 5 years from the day of death of a submarine. In one of his interviews the former commander of the Northern fleet Admiral Vyacheslav Popov on the question of the correspondent of the death of the submarine «Kursk» said suddenly:
«I know the truth about the Kursk, but still not time to tell her.»
How ambiguous. Obviously there is something much deeper and darker based on a comment like that.
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7 - nuclear submarine «Kursk» raised from the bottom of the Barents sea without the first compartment. Relatives of the dead sailors told that there are explosives, therefore, to lift the compartment on the surface dangerous. Compartment remained at the scene of the accident.
And then the atomic submarine «Kursk» was moved to the island, cut-pieces and melted down.(this is a lie! There may not stay explosives)
8 - in the first compartment of a submarine were evidence and the true reasons for the incident. But to pick it up even did not want to. why? this would put everything in its place. Lift it was not difficult.
9 the True reasons we will never know, even years after 50.
so this is all just guesses of what is happening. But from the evidence rid of completely.
10 with regard to.
There were many versions But the version with a torpedo old, not even fit and was immediately rejected by the experts.
But some time later stated that it was an old torpedo.
Already responded to each of the claims. You're now running in circles from theory to theory. Was it a torpedo or wasn't it? Was it a collision or wasn't it? Perhaps there are so many "theories" because none of them have any evidence to support them.
There are three that are newere; Tomsk, Omsk and Tver. These ships are all assigned to the Pacific Fleet. Kursk was the newest boat in the Northern Fleet and the first built in the post-Soviet era.
I have no idea if boats went to Kamchatka or not to conduct tests. I really don't see how it is material to the dicussion. On top of that, it is widely known and reported that in 1999 Kursk was on operations in the Mediteranean observing US fleet movements during the Kosovo War. It was the first time a Soviet sub operated outside of Soviet territorial waters since the collapse of the USSR.
Again, what does it matter?
Kursk was launched May 16th, 1994 and commissioned on December 30th, 1994.
Since the Mk48 is the only torpedo carried on US subs and I already laid out exactly what that weapon would have done to Kursk, what are the other possibilities?
If we go back to that it was a collision, then what is the hole that supposedly shows a torpedo for?
5 - hole NOT a TECHNOLOGICAL (AND it is in a dangerous proximity to the missile silos complex Granite.)
It's not that close. Here's a picture of the wreck with the missile doors open. They had to remove the front end of the ship to raise it, that is what the hole was for...
How ambiguous. Obviously there is something much deeper and darker based on a comment like that.
Already responded to each of the claims. You're now running in circles from theory to theory. Was it a torpedo or wasn't it? Was it a collision or wasn't it? Perhaps there are so many "theories" because none of them have any evidence to support them.
З0 December 1994 this is the same as 1995.(what you wrote I wrote the above post, " it's for the help)And a question of when on your ended the post-Soviet period?
I do not know English so the translation is not that which should be. I'm at the expense of the torpedoes! I was talking about the official version of what was later told that this was allegedly the old torpedo with which I disagree. But before the official version of the same official version of the rejected at once.
You have other torpedoes, except мк48. what kind of boats on the Kamchatka I know, and I see them. I spoke to the fact that these boats are not idle, were used and constantly on duty, do not rot at the piers.You see them on the picture, I'm awake. And not just see.
as you can see that this hole is in the proximity of the missile shafts. Which покосило. And technological hole had been cut on the main deck!
This hole is NOT technological, and has no application.But if you do not see, then keep in mind that 2 of the cover (rocket mines) in the photo closed. under each of the lid is a 2 missiles. on one side of their 6.
Even if we assume (it isn't) that the hole is technological. make it possible. But a dent on the hull of a submarine, which is in the shape of the hole you can't do it physically.
Theories have been many but the evidence hidden! If they were would have cut off the compartment.(1) (all the evidence was there) proof or refutation of any theory. But raise it refused. Relatives told a lie. That there is a lot of explosives and dangerous it is. (this is not as -1 there was a huge explosion and threats are true can't. 2-if it would be danger they would not be able to cut it)
the righteousness of lurks at the bottom of the sea, and there it will remain
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That was given to the Russians because NASA and Euro's couldn't trust Russia to make any other module on time... or correctly. Even then they still had to do a massive amount of redesign to their own modules just to get connected in the first place.
Add in the fact that the Russian portion of the ISS needs more repair work then the rest of the thing put together...
National Pride is all well and good, but some of us prefer to dwell in Facts.
You are mistaken! I'm not a patriot, but homeland love. NASA already as it launched a station which for a long time not flying (fell) the Main module is Russian and he has to keep the station in orbit, the experience of Russia has more than anyone, that you're my you can't win. Was инцедент when you wanted after the construction of the docking module and the docking with other international units. Would like Russia to be excluded. Russia said without problems but take module and hold the station as want (and we are on its basis build your own) after which they were asked to continue the project. Was it! was.
In the space of the USSR always checked for 100% efficiency. NASA no. Today use Russian rockets and they are considered the most reliable of the existing! So, look the truth in the eye with you, I agree. And you say that the Russian .Soviet Union made all bad. This is not so.
In America even the astronauts are highly specialized. In Russia, on the contrary a wide profile as well as in study.
It was a simple example, that the new technology was in the USSR and is today. Today the whole world uses of Russian scientists. Especially Germany. There is a worldwide company, which committed themselves to the development of new technologies and then hire Russian specialists in particular, and they develop these technologies. In America there is a plane (being developed) hypersonic, which has been developed by Russian specialists in the new super wing. Developed it for a penny (funny 300 thousand dollars.) When the development allocated hundreds of millions.
In a world of many brilliant people and they are not only Russian but also European and American, Asian scientists.
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Did they ever invent any technology of their own or did they steal it all from America and Germany?
No, they didn't "steal it all" from America and Germany. Russian Academy of Sciences was created back in 1724, inspired and advised by Gottfried Leibnitz. So the history of rocket science in Russia goes back to Imperial times, as much as some other inventions.
The true reason why Russia has been a problem for the US, is precisely because Russia was the only non-Western culture that was capable of developing its own technology, independently from the West. And since he, who owns the most advanced technology rules the world, it was imperative for the US to get rid of Russia once and for all - not just the Soviet Union.
However by doing so, the US have broken the golden rule of competition - the very competition the absence of which within the Soviet Union was so essential for self-destruction of the system ( after all, Russians are their own worst enemies, with no exception when it comes to science and inventions.)
The modern world develops and excels in competition and competition only, and once the competition ( on many levels) is gone, there is no victory, no triumph, but the downward spiral.
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