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Originally Posted by Cliffie
But the figures for less complex illnesses and the treatments for them are sometimes even worse. Remember the discovery that more than 70% of the helpful response to SSRIs is caused by the placebo effect?
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First of all - this thread is 6 years old. You're the first person to post in it since August 2009. Second - Viralmd is no longer a member and hasn't posted on C-D for a few years now, so you're responding to someone who isn't going to be continuing the conversation with you.
Lastly - the argument is that most people are not helped by pharmaceuticals. I posit that this is untrue. Most people might possibly not be *cured* by pharmaceuticals, that seems a more reasonable assumption. It's reasonable because most people don't have things that need to be cured, or that can be cured. However - most people who have garden variety but serious illnesses that require medication to manage or treat, are successfully managed or treated by their meds.
Like - me, for example. I had a lump on my thyroid. It was a tumor. They removed the tumor, and with it half my thyroid. Thankfully the tumor was benign, but it did need to come out because it was close to the parathyroid and if it had grown much bigger I would've had to have all my thyroid -and- my parathyroid removed, and you kind of need these things.
So now, I take 100 micrograms of synthetic thyroid every day. I'll take that for the rest of my life. It is 100% successful at doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing for me, which is - maintaining a healthy thyroid level in my body, which my body can no longer do efficiently by itself.
There are people with epilepsy for whom pharmaceuticals work with 100% efficiency. In fact, most people with epilepsy can live relatively normal lives, thanks to pharmaceuticals. It used to be that they couldn't get drivers' licenses or work with machinery, because the risk of injury during a seizure was too great. Thanks to pharmaceuticals, the risk is significantly reduced for some, and completely eliminated for others - as long as they take the meds.
If the claim is "pharmaceuticals can't cure any more than half the people who take them" then you're probably right. But it's a strawman argument, because most pharmaceuticals aren't supposed to be cures, they're supposed to be treatments for things that either can't be cured, or will get better on their own, or that are recurring.
There is no cure for epilepsy. But there are treatments, and they are effective for most epileptics.
There is no cure for a removed thyroid gland. But there are synthetic hormones that can replace the hormones your missing thyroid can't make for you anymore.
There's no cure for the cold virus - since there is no singular cold virus. But there are are plenty of OTC treatments - which are made by pharmaceutical companies - that can relieve the symptoms til the sickness goes away on its own.
There's no cure for allergies - even if you have a rock-solid immune system, you can still develop an allergy to almost anything. But there are antihistimines, made by pharmaceutical companies, that can prevent an allergy attack, or treat allergy symptoms.
There's no cure for the illness known as "headache" because they're recurring and if you cure this one today, you will still get another one some time in the future. But there are things such as aspirin, naproxyn, ibuprophen, and stronger prescription drugs - all made by pharmaceutical companies - that can treat that headache and make it go away quicker than if you tried to just wait it out. They are successful most of the time, for most people who use them, as long as they're used appropriately (you don't treat a migraine with an aspirin, for example, and expect it to work).