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Old 07-29-2009, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I am in my late 60's and take NO prescription medications at all. I am in excellent health and stay that way with a healthy vegetarian diet, using Chinese herbs to regulate my blood pressure and cholesterol.

A doctor once told me that prescription drugs weaken your body.
I'm glad it works for you, but I can say differently about some of the people I know.

Without modern pharmacology just for maintenance medication I would loose a number of people. You can't keep people alive with Chrones, immunodeficiency, hemophilia, multiple sclerosis, and severe epilepsy by just long walks and vegetables. Add into the deaths those who had severe infections, accidents or needed surgical intervention (including medications and aftercare), which includes myself (twice for surgery), and you lose another good size group of people.

If you are talking about those who have disorders because of bad lifestyle choices, they need to get their butts up and eat veggies. I'll keep chemicals for keeping myself and my loved ones alive when it's really needed, as well as eat well and exercise to stay healthy.

I'm not sure what kind of medical professional would generalize that much to say that all drugs. Some of them will, especially for lifestyle failings (not sure if it's the drug or the lifestyle though), but considering they and I would not be alive without pharmaceuticals I would say it's false.
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Old 07-29-2009, 07:25 PM
 
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I am in my late 60's and take NO prescription medications at all. I am in excellent health and stay that way with a healthy vegetarian diet, using Chinese herbs to regulate my blood pressure and cholesterol.

A doctor once told me that prescription drugs weaken your body.
Same here... diet is very important, IMO, if you eat mostly junk, it will affect your health. I use chinese herbs and get acupuncture treatments, no drugs, prescription or over the counter. Between keeping stress levels down, exercising and diet, I think you can prevent a lot of health problems or at the very least keep them to a minimum.
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Old 07-30-2009, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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Same here... diet is very important, IMO, if you eat mostly junk, it will affect your health. I use chinese herbs and get acupuncture treatments, no drugs, prescription or over the counter. Between keeping stress levels down, exercising and diet, I think you can prevent a lot of health problems or at the very least keep them to a minimum.
Yes. It's too bad so many doctors have tunnel vision. We can do so much to stay healthy WITHOUT resorting to chemical pills. My spouse totally controls his blood pressure with Chinese herbs. He got off his meds with their awful side-effects entirely. He has maintained a normal bp now for 5 years with just Chinese herbs. I control my fibromyalgia pain entirely with a Chinese herb formula and Tai Chi.


In truth, only two pharmaceutical drugs actually cure anything.
All the rest of Big Pharma's drugs only manage symptoms. And they often cause such awful side-effects that doctors then prescribe yet another drug for those side-effects! Yikes.
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Old 07-31-2009, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Back in New York
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Diet (which can vary person to person) and exercise can do wonderful things for most and keep you from supporting slime like Glaxo. I have seen the victims of pharma and its not pretty. They get trapped into a cycle of never ending prescription drugs but this was the goal of course. If a natural treatment was so ineffective the FDA would make sure you know its ineffective and not to take it. Natural treatments also vary from individual to individual as do doses.
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Old 08-01-2009, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Northern California
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I'm glad it works for you, but I can say differently about some of the people I know.

Without modern pharmacology just for maintenance medication I would loose a number of people. You can't keep people alive with Chrones, immunodeficiency, hemophilia, multiple sclerosis, and severe epilepsy by just long walks and vegetables. Add into the deaths those who had severe infections, accidents or needed surgical intervention (including medications and aftercare), which includes myself (twice for surgery), and you lose another good size group of people.

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Are you implying that you are a medical doctor? In another of your posts you reveal that you are in the industry of finance!
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Old 08-04-2009, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Northern California
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Diet (which can vary person to person) and exercise can do wonderful things for most and keep you from supporting slime like Glaxo. I have seen the victims of pharma and its not pretty. They get trapped into a cycle of never ending prescription drugs but this was the goal of course. If a natural treatment was so ineffective the FDA would make sure you know its ineffective and not to take it. Natural treatments also vary from individual to individual as do doses.
Diet plays a very large part in maintaining good health. Yet doctors rarely talk about it to their patients.
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Old 08-04-2009, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Are you implying that you are a medical doctor? In another of your posts you reveal that you are in the industry of finance!
I work in the finance department of a hospital, but in that instance I think you misunderstand the meaning of the sentence. A number of people I know would have died without modern pharmaceuticals, more so without modern medical treatments (including myself). I don't think I ever said, or even implied, I was practicing medicine or saving people. I do spend every day around those who do.
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Old 08-04-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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I work in the finance department of a hospital, but in that instance I think you misunderstand the meaning of the sentence. A number of people I know would have died without modern pharmaceuticals, more so without modern medical treatments (including myself). I don't think I ever said, or even implied, I was practicing medicine or saving people.
Dear Sub,

Your exact words were . . .
Without modern pharmacology just for maintenance medication I would loose a number of people.
Why would a finance guy say he would lose people? It is what a DOCTOR would say.
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Manhattan, Ks
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I believe subsound was talking about personally losing people, not professionally. At least that's how I understood it.
BTW my dad was diagnosed with Type I diabetes at 18 years old. He is now a healthy 58 years old with two children, a career and a full, active life. I owe his life and mine to modern medicine.
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:32 PM
 
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I'm glad it works for you, but I can say differently about some of the people I know.

Without modern pharmacology just for maintenance medication I would loose a number of people. You can't keep people alive with Chrones, immunodeficiency, hemophilia, multiple sclerosis, and severe epilepsy by just long walks and vegetables. Add into the deaths those who had severe infections, accidents or needed surgical intervention (including medications and aftercare), which includes myself (twice for surgery), and you lose another good size group of people.

If you are talking about those who have disorders because of bad lifestyle choices, they need to get their butts up and eat veggies. I'll keep chemicals for keeping myself and my loved ones alive when it's really needed, as well as eat well and exercise to stay healthy.

I'm not sure what kind of medical professional would generalize that much to say that all drugs. Some of them will, especially for lifestyle failings (not sure if it's the drug or the lifestyle though), but considering they and I would not be alive without pharmaceuticals I would say it's false.
Completely agree!

A great post with a good understanding of the benefits of both modern medicine and a healthy lifestyle.
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