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Did you buy the house, knowing that your neighborhood had restrictions?
If so, then yes, they have every right. You agreed to the policy.
If you owned the home, before the association took form, and you never agreed to it, then no, you have every right to do whatever the hell it is you want.
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Originally Posted by Ceece
Sure they do. Nobody is forced to live in a HOA.
Yes and yes Some at our yearly HOA mtg thought they could get the CCR's changed to allow clotheslines, since they know our developer promotes being a green builder. A year later the answer was a resounding No "Some" sure were naive not to understand the "green dream" is a marketing ploy that had sucked them in and will spit them back out!
What if you live in a neighborhood that had no HOA when you moved in, but as time passed, developed one?
"If you don't like it, then move."?
Then you're not obligated to become part of it. The CCRs that an HOA operate under are tied to the deed of property and registered with the local government as part of that deed - the county, borough, etc. This must be done by the property owner, usually a developer looking to create a community, in conjunction with government who is looking to create desirable communities within it's boundaries.
No one can "force" you to 'become" part of an HOA against your wishes. You must either buy into one (which exists as a legal entity before the first home in a develpment is sold) or actively be part of a group looking to create one in an existing neighborhood. Everyone who is screaming how terrible they are based upon bad experiences willingly bought into one. Either that or they stupidly neglected to read all the documents when they closed on their house. "HOA? What HOA? I didn't know there was an HOA? <whine, whine...>"
You can make all the excuses you want. The bottom line is intil you make fixing the HOA a priority and get involved you have no room to complain. Most states have laws govenring how HOA's must operate including scheduling meeings and notifying residents. You din't have to go to every meeting. Research can be done at hime about what controls there are in place. You also need to get copies and read your HOA by-laws. Come on here, it isn't like HOA's meet once a week and you can't find the time. Besides, any resident can request a meeting be called. Get together with others who see the same problems and demand a special meeting.
Then you're not obligated to become part of it. The CCRs that an HOA operate under are tied to the deed of property and registered with the local government as part of that deed - the county, borough, etc. This must be done by the property owner, usually a developer looking to create a community, in conjunction with government who is looking to create desirable communities within it's boundaries.
No one can "force" you to 'become" part of an HOA against your wishes. You must either buy into one (which exists as a legal entity before the first home in a develpment is sold) or actively be part of a group looking to create one in an existing neighborhood. Everyone who is screaming how terrible they are based upon bad experiences willingly bought into one. Either that or they stupidly neglected to read all the documents when they closed on their house. "HOA? What HOA? I didn't know there was an HOA? <whine, whine...>"
When all your neighbors get together to establish one, and you want no part of it, influence will be exercised upon you.
Yes and yes Some at our yearly HOA mtg thought they could get the CCR's changed to allow clotheslines, since they know our developer promotes being a green builder. A year later the answer was a resounding No "Some" sure were naive not to understand the "green dream" is a marketing ploy that had sucked them in and will spit them back out!
I don't really care so much about 'green dreams.' But I can tell you one thing that is NOT a marketing ploy: my clothes hanging out in the afternoon summer breeze costs me nothing. It's a FACT that when the drier is not running, it's not using electricity, thus not costing me one red cent. That's not a dream, it's a reality. Add those times the drier would not be running for an entire year, and it's substantial money saved. And it's no harder to do than loading and unloading the drier. Using machines for everything is not always cost effective--in time or money. When will your HOA require a butt wiping machine?
The only marketing ploy is the one that has convinced you to hook one-way free-flow pipes from your wallet to your keepers' bank accounts. Of course they are going to bawl their eyes out when you attempt to break the modern captive consumer norms. I'll bet if you were to go out and mow your lawn with a manual push reel mower, they'd probably have a SWAT team there within minutes--can't have you not burning gas. Oh, sorry, you probably can't have any sort of mower... your HOA requires you to hire a commercial lawn care service with their huge power mowers, right? You mowing your own lawn is a sign of dire poverty.
When you figure out how to have people keep the clothes lines inconspicuous, in good condition without letting clothes hang forever or their bra and panties flapping in the wind. No rusty leaning over posts, grass trimmed around them, no unsightly line poles to hold them up. Then convince the buying public they want to pay top dollar to live in your neighborhood, let us know. You just might be on to something. Until then, follow the rules or get involved and change them. It is the beignning of urban blight that will lead to more relaxed rules. After all if Joe can have his clothes line why can't I have my inoperable car on blocks next to the garage for the next 10 years while I save up money to get the battery for it. Really wish I could move it to mow around but I can't. Sorry!. If bill can have his car and Joe his clothes line, I see no reason why I can't have my Pit Bull raising business in the back yard. I know dogs crap and bark, but, hey they are dogs, what can I do about it!!!
When you figure out how to have people keep the clothes lines inconspicuous, in good condition without letting clothes hang forever or their bra and panties flapping in the wind. No rusty leaning over posts, grass trimmed around them, no unsightly line poles to hold them up. Then convince the buying public they want to pay top dollar to live in your neighborhood, let us know. You just might be on to something. Until then, follow the rules or get involved and change them. It is the beignning of urban blight that will lead to more relaxed rules. After all if Joe can have his clothes line why can't I have my inoperable car on blocks next to the garage for the next 10 years while I save up money to get the battery for it. Really wish I could move it to mow around but I can't. Sorry!. If bill can have his car and Joe his clothes line, I see no reason why I can't have my Pit Bull raising business in the back yard. I know dogs crap and bark, but, hey they are dogs, what can I do about it!!!
I would be happy as a pig in sh*t if bill would only have one car that is inoperable BUT NNOO and county council can't write an ordinance that is enforceable
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Some at our yearly
HOA mtg thought they could get the CCR's changed to allow clotheslines, since they know our developer promotes being a green builder. A year later
that had sucked them in and will spit them back out!
"HOA? What HOA? I didn't know there was an HOA? <whine, whine...>"
