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Doesn't that require that you identify yourself, with the equivalent of a national ID card, before exercising your second amendment right? A violation of your principle? Would you like to need to present an ID card in order to exercise your First Amendment rights? Speech, or religion?
In other words, in order to bear arms, you are first presumed to be a felon, and can exercise your constitutional right only after you have proven that you are not a felon. What kind of a right is that?
Doesn't that require that you identify yourself, with the equivalent of a national ID card, before exercising your second amendment right? A violation of your principle? Would you like to need to present an ID card in order to exercise your First Amendment rights? Speech, or religion?
In other words, in order to bear arms, you are first presumed to be a felon, and can exercise your constitutional right only after you have proven that you are not a felon. What kind of a right is that?
Yes, you must provide positive identification. I use my MD driver's license. It doesn't present me with a problem.
As far as exercising First Amendment rights, let's say freedom of speech: if one writes a Letter the the Editor most newspapers I'm aware of require the letter to be signed with contact information. Freedom of assembly: many jurisdictions require the equivalent of a parade permit to hold a demonstration. Freedom of religion: I don't know about you but I had to list a religion when I was in the Navy and it was imprinted on my dog tags.
Exactly what are you arguing now?
Now it's YOUR turn to cite where I EVER said that my family and myself are so skilled with firearms that we "cannot be taken down". We compete, we hunt, yes we have skill with arms......can't be taken down? pull that one up for me would ya. My question to you stands, and I am not, nor have I, ever been talking about all out bans being called for ...by anyone. I am citing YOUR opinion that "certain types of firearms" can , and should, be banned("Assault weapons", in your words) and I asked you to define the parameters YOU would use to define these types of shooting iron. So, I am under no obligation to provide links to something I never touted as a talking point, you, however, claim I have flatly stated I am invincible and "cannot be taken down"? BULL****!!! And cutting and pasting stuff together from separate posts, quoting totally out of context etc....don't count pard. You ARE famous for that garbage..
Do you really expect anything different from said member? Half the time he's arguing with himself, because he forgot what he was saying an hour ago.
Anybody who thinks banning guns will keep people from committing crimes and killing people is deluded. It's possible that it would cause some crimes to dwindle, but other crimes would increase. But more importantly, when people are angry and determined to kill, they'll find a way to kill. It was happening for eons before guns were invented.
Yes, you must provide positive identification. I use my MD driver's license. It doesn't present me with a problem.
As far as exercising First Amendment rights, let's say freedom of speech: if one writes a Letter the the Editor most newspapers I'm aware of require the letter to be signed with contact information. Freedom of assembly: many jurisdictions require the equivalent of a parade permit to hold a demonstration. Freedom of religion: I don't know about you but I had to list a religion when I was in the Navy and it was imprinted on my dog tags.
Exactly what are you arguing now?
You do not need to sign a letter to an editor unless you expect him to publish it, which he has a First Amendment right to do or not do at his discretion. You don't need to identify yourself in order to express your opinion. You and I just did, and nobody is requiring either of us to identify ourselves.
You do not need to identify yourself in order to go into a church and worship according to your First Amendment rights. When you joined the navy, you voluntarily subjected yourself to servitude, and agreed to do everything they told you to do, irrespective of constitutional rights. I will bet my farm that you had the right to say "none" or "not stated" or "Druid" when asked your religion.
The requirement to get a permit to assemble is as galling to me as the requirement to get a permit to own a gun is to you. Each of us see at least one of those requirements as a violation of our constitutional rights. If it is OK to require protesters to get a permit, why is it not OK to require gun owners to get a permit?
You do not need to sign a letter to an editor unless you expect him to publish it, which he has a First Amendment right to do or not do at his discretion. You don't need to identify yourself in order to express your opinion. You and I just did, and nobody is requiring either of us to identify ourselves.
You do not need to identify yourself in order to go into a church and worship according to your First Amendment rights. When you joined the navy, you voluntarily subjected yourself to servitude, and agreed to do everything they told you to do, irrespective of constitutional rights. I will bet my farm that you had the right to say "none" or "not stated" or "Druid" when asked your religion.
The requirement to get a permit to assemble is as galling to me as the requirement to get a permit to own a gun is to you. Each of us see at least one of those requirements as a violation of our constitutional rights. If it is OK to require protesters to get a permit, why is it not OK to require gun owners to get a permit?
So your arguement is really that as long as part of a Creator granted right has benn infringed upon by the government than why not allow the government to further encrouch upon that right to the point of elimination of said Constitutional right? That summs it up doesn't it? Sounds like what liberals do! However, it is not governments place to limit a right it does not and cannot grant. Our rights are natural and endowed by our Creator, not from government. Period.
Do you purchase a permit before you speak or before you worship? Do you purchase a permit in order to vote (a.k.a poll tax)? Do you purchase a permit every time you participate in commerce?
Your position is a stupid one based on faulty reasoning. Go away.
I have a general question, which anyone is free to answer.
Let's grant that A) anyone should be able to buy a gun, no questions asked, and B) convicted felons shouldn't be allowed to own guns. OK. If a felon goes into a gun shop, how do we know he is a felon?
Oh, here's another question. You know that law in Kennesaw GA, that everyone has to have a gun? Would you be in favor of such a law in East St. Louis, or Gary, or Camden? Or do you assume that everyone already has a gun in those cities, and that's why their crime rates are so low?
Easy answer. Put said felon into the electric chair before any possibility of parole, and he won't ever show up in any sort of gun shop looking for a firearm.
Easy answer. Put said felon into the electric chair before any possibility of parole, and he won't ever show up in any sort of gun shop looking for a firearm.
Good idea. Mandatory execution for all felonies. I'm glad you warned us with your screen name that you are a fool.
It follows the same line of reasoning that says convicted felons and non-citizens cannot vote. Neither can convicted felons legally buy guns.
Kind of a common sense thing.
Constitution doesn't give anyone the right to vote. Less than 0.5% of Americans voted in the 1792 presidential election.. The rest didn't have the right to vote. Along some "line of reasoning" which was a "common sense thing".
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pull that one up for me would ya. My question to you stands, and I am not, nor have I, ever been talking about all out bans being called for ...by anyone. I am citing YOUR opinion that "certain types of firearms" can , and should, be banned("Assault weapons", in your words) and I asked you to define the parameters YOU would use to define these types of shooting iron. So, I am under no obligation to provide links to something I never touted as a talking point, you, however, claim I have flatly stated I am invincible and "cannot be taken down"? BULL****!!! And cutting and pasting stuff together from separate posts, quoting totally out of context etc....don't count pard. You ARE famous for that garbage.
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